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Old 07-09-2008, 08:43 PM
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Here is some more of the story, posted today.

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JOHNSON: Bum's rush stirs free-speech issue

Are we getting the picture yet? Still, no?

Maybe you just haven't seen the video of Carol Kreck getting booted out of the John McCain town hall event on Monday at the Denver Center for the Performing Arts.

My most depressingly favorite line in the entire clip is this one:

"No, HE'S saying you're trespassing on city property."

It is uttered by a tall, dark-haired police sergeant who is escorting the 60-year-old former newspaper reporter-turned librarian from the DCPA atrium, his palms held up in 'Who, me?' style, after pointing to an anonymous man in a tan, off-the-rack sport coat, as if he were a mere bystander in all of it.

If you are planning to be anywhere near the city center come next month when the convention comes to town, viewing the Carol Kreck video ought to be Job No. 1.

JOHNSON: Bum's rush stirs free-speech issue : Columns & Blogs : The Rocky Mountain News
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:47 AM
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Actually, it is not public property, and she was not attending the public meeting.
That isn't correct.

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The Denver Performing Arts Complex is 4-square-block site owned and operated by the City and County of Denver that offers 11, 260 seats in 11 performance venues
The Denver Center For Performing Arts : FAQ

It is public property.

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Jenny Schiavone, a spokeswoman for the performing arts center, said the venue is city-owned rental property but is not legally defined as public property.
BS. If public funds paid for the facility, it is public unless military.

Also....interesting......

Wikimedia

The question is....was she 'inside' the facility?

There are three venues owned by the city / county. There are more that are listed but neither is the owner. All are manages by the same entity which is a non-profit corp. If she did not get inside.....public property. If she got inside and became disruptive...that of course would be another story.
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:26 PM
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I'm far less concerned with the minutae of public/private trespass, which appears at least debatable, than the fact that McCain is apparently terrified of dissent. Indeed McCain DOES equal Bush, in terms of insulation and isolation from differing views.

Regardless of the technical details of the legality, it looks bad, as it should, to strongarm an old lady with police officers. Don't manhandle the messenger, address the message!
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:32 PM
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Wow...how "Hitleresque" of them.

Repress protesters at your campaign rallies...then we have Limbaugh advocating a violent attack on the opponent's campaign rally...

Standard Nazi tactics, really.
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Just based upon what I have learned about this situation... so far... this seems like a plausible scenario.

The players:

The McCain camp
held one of their 'town meetings'
is known for filtering questions from the audience

The Denver Center
hosted the event
according to a statement from them their policy is no signs, leafletting, ect... in other words, no demonstrating of sorts.

Carol Kreck
Political activist associated with Progress.org
former reporter of the Denver Post

Scenario:
Kreck went to the Center intending to attend the McCain's town meeting with her sign "McCain = Bush"
Secret Service noticed her and reported her to Center security.
center security confronted her. The police eventually escorted her from the building and cited her for trespassing.

It is my opinion that this all went according to plan. I propose that it was Kreck's intention to enter the meeting and be expelled from it... proving her point that "McCain = Bush". Instead what happened was she didn't get that far... she was stopped by security. However, the fall-out still had a negative effect on the McCain camp. Therefore Kreck, knowing what the outcome would be, was successful in getting her message out that "McCain = Bush".

Does this seem plausible?
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