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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

View Poll Results: Can rights be rescinded?
Yes, they certainly can be. The people giveth and taketh away. 11 39.29%
It would be so hard to do, I can't even imagine it. 0 0%
Only under certain circumstances. Depends on the right. 10 35.71%
All "rights" are really just privileges, and we have to earn them. 1 3.57%
Never, ever! God gave us all our rights, and they are sacred. 6 21.43%
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Old 07-04-2008, 02:54 PM
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Yes, of course they can. I shoot you, there I took away your right to life.
Not really what I was going for, but, yes, technically, okay........
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An arachist society in which you are the only person would be the only one where your rights are absolute, undeniable, and unchangable.

Otherwise your life is always in the hands of the ones with the most power and the ones who make the rules.
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Ah yes, I see, but as you say if government says you have no right to life, or more appropriately "you have no right to free speech" the right is gone.
No it is just a right that is being oppressed.
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No it is just a right that is being oppressed.
What is it that gives us rights then, if not our society and state?
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What is it that gives us rights then, if not our society and state?

They are Natural.
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They are Natural.
Why? What says that rights are natural? There is no evidence for this, and the facts point to it being more likely that rights are given by the state, rather than just oppressed by it, apparently there is a right to bear arms but many nations and people disagree.
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What is it that gives us rights then, if not our society and state?
Neither. Logic, or nature as finny would put it. I guess you could put it into the category of society if you wanted to, but society does not determine them. Society can be just as oppressive as any government. People may be so oppressed that the rights are unknown to them. Rights are not given they simply exist. They can be protected such as in the US bill of rights, but that is not giving rights either.
Simply at the most basic form that people can do what they want without harming the rights of others.
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Why? What says that rights are natural? There is no evidence for this, and the facts point to it being more likely that rights are given by the state, rather than just oppressed by it, apparently there is a right to bear arms but many nations and people disagree.

What says they are not? There is more evidence of my view then you have of yours. The State is there to oppress rights, they are never their to give them, they only recognize them.

Do you support gay rights? Well if you do, then you see those rights as Natural as many States do not recognize them or oppress them.

See the logic.
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"Rights" aren't natural. They're a human invention based on a collective experience. We grant rights, we limit them, we take them away, all based on what works for whatever society we live in.
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"Rights" aren't natural. They're a human invention based on a collective experience. We grant rights, we limit them, we take them away, all based on what works for whatever society we live in.
We support/protect them or we prevent/oppress them. They are still there either way.
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