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| Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues. |
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| Yes, they certainly can be. The people giveth and taketh away. |
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| It would be so hard to do, I can't even imagine it. |
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| Only under certain circumstances. Depends on the right. |
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10 | 35.71% |
| All "rights" are really just privileges, and we have to earn them. |
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| Never, ever! God gave us all our rights, and they are sacred. |
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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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No... Find me someone that thinks because he/she has the ability to kill someone they have the right to. Or someone that has think that because the have ability rape someone they have they right to. And so on... I don't know anyone that thinks that abilities are rights.
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The one really has nothing to do with the other. Rights exist regardless of whether one has the ability to exercise them.
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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves." |
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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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Rights do not exist outside of the social sphere. They are purely social creations created purely for their social utility. Without an organized society to think them up and then protect them (because they feel they are good), they are political fictions. There's no such nonsense as a natural, independent right for or to anything. It's a mystical holdover from the medieval period that was given a new face during the Enlightenment because political radicals wanted to justify what they wanted to do, but didn't know how. The solution was just to make crap up and deflect any criticism by assertion it was god-given and self-evidently true. Really, you have no rights other than what society says you have and what the State protects This may be unpleasant for you to think, but it's true notwithstanding. Reality doesn't require your approval.
A "right" is a political abstraction--a protection of a welfare interest deemed important enough for social harmony and survival. They are more rules of thumb than anything else.
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The right to own slaves once existed. I recall a few laws and amendments changing that.
All rights are based around the protection of what you want. "Natural rights" don't exist, nor are they universal - other than hopeless pseudo-anarchists, few oppose imprisonment for violent offenders.
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Indeed, which is why I created a brief grocery list of points for all anarchists to consider before they venture in absurdism. Purists of any type annoy the hell out of me:
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Anarchism is ironic because people don't want to live that way. Anarchism would just revert to where we are now, because it would suck and since people could do whatever they wanted, they would switch it back.
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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. |
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