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Old 06-20-2008, 03:22 PM
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I sincerely hope that story was an example of your fine literary skills in satire. I can't quite tell, which could mean you are really just that good. Like Jonathon Swift good. I don't see how anyone can take seriously faith healing. There's absolutely no scientific data to support it. Prayer will kill you if you are actually sick. So might western medicine, but for different reasons (people react different to it). However, wester medicine has a strong scientific track record of progress. Prayer can't possible cure you of anything other than through placebo (something psychological). Magic doesn't exist.
Yes, but Placebo's have documented success, in some areas greater than western medicene. I have a book at home that I'll go through (you might have read it, Voodoo Science), that talks about Acupuncture (or however it is spelled), I could give the jist of it now, but I want to double check the book and it's sources.
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Acupuncture is good. I have a story about that, too. After three weeks of unsuccessful treatment for pneumonia using both oral and injectable antibiotics, one acupuncture treatment cleared it up.
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I would rather trust my life to antibiotics if I get an infection than someone praying for me. A lot of the faith healing evidence is anecdotal. A lot of people claim homeopathic remedies also cure them (anecdotal), but it's impossible, given homeopathic remedies are often nothing but dihydrogen monoxoide.

It's often placebo or coincidence.
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I usually take antibiotics when I get an infection but I have also used natural remedies successfully to avoid pharmaceuticals under certain circumstances. It is so expensive to go and pay a doctor just to obtain that permission slip/prescription so I use alternatives whenever I can.
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I sincerely hope that story was an example of your fine literary skills in satire. I can't quite tell, which could mean you are really just that good. Like Jonathon Swift good. I don't see how anyone can take seriously faith healing. There's absolutely no scientific data to support it. Prayer will kill you if you are actually sick. So might western medicine, but for different reasons (people react different to it). However, wester medicine has a strong scientific track record of progress. Prayer can't possible cure you of anything other than through placebo (something psychological). Magic doesn't exist.
Prayer will not kill you. It may not cure you, but it will never kill anybody.

And sometimes placebo is all you need...
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Prayer will not kill you. It may not cure you, but it will never kill anybody.

And sometimes placebo is all you need...
Especially for a hypochondriac.

The belief that it is working can be all that is needed. The mental factor can be very important.
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The way I see it if he wanted to die from his own stupidity then that's up to him, faith wasn't gonna fix his problem on its own.
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The way I see it if he wanted to die from his own stupidity then that's up to him, faith wasn't gonna fix his problem on its own.
I agree. I think everyone should be able to give up any of their rights as they see fit, including the right to life.
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I agree. I think everyone should be able to give up any of their rights as they see fit, including the right to life.
Even a child, like the one in the OP?
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Even a child, like the one in the OP?
The rights of children become a difficult subject. They can not have full rights as adults. There are difficult questions to consider. Things like at what age should they get what rights. People do not mature at the same rate.

For example:
A child at the age of 11 gets a horrid illness. It is incurable and untreatable and will not become so in the foreseeable future. It is exterely painful. I think if the child wants to end his life and the parents agree, the parents should have that responsibility, it should be done. I am not sure what age the child should be able to choose for it self.
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