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Old 06-19-2008, 12:28 PM
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This is a pretty tough one. There doesn't seem to be much that can be done in a legal sense. Whether or not we should allow 14 year old kids to make this decision is something I wouldn't want to be in charge of deciding.
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Old 06-19-2008, 12:39 PM
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I personally think that the age should be higher than 14. While the parents are the legal guardians, they should be the ones responsible for all medical decisions and responsible for any outcome of their decision.
I don't necessarily disagree, but it seems as if they are in clear, legally speaking.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but it seems as if they are in clear, legally speaking.
Yes, under current law, they have not broken any laws as the child was over the minimum age, and gave his own "consent." I'm just saying that if I was making the laws (mwa ha ha), the age would be raised because minors can't give consent.
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:41 PM
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I will answer this with your own lines, "If that's what a particular society chooses, I don't have a problem with them doing that."

That is what our particular society is going to choose, so does that mean that you don't have a problem with that?
But our society is not entitled to make that choice because we have a Constitution that limits the powers of government and because such a choice is utterly contrary to the principles of liberty on which this society was founded.
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But our society is not entitled to make that choice because we have a Constitution that limits the powers of government and because such a choice is utterly contrary to the principles of liberty on which this society was founded.
So you don't care about democracy? Or the will of the people? It doesn't matter what principles a nation was founded on, Australia began as a prison, does that mea it should always just be a giant prison? No, nations grow up and move on.
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But our society is not entitled to make that choice because we have a Constitution that limits the powers of government and because such a choice is utterly contrary to the principles of liberty on which this society was founded.
You disagree with all laws regarding child abuse then?
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So you don't care about democracy?
Since the United States is not a democracy, no.

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Or the will of the people?
What you call the will of the people can just as easily be called tyranny of the majority and I oppose the tyranny of the majority.

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It doesn't matter what principles a nation was founded on,
As far as the United States goes, it does matter.

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Australia began as a prison, does that mea it should always just be a giant prison? No, nations grow up and move on.
I don't consider the United States to be "grown up" in its present form. The big government nanny state is not a grown up government.
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You disagree with all laws regarding child abuse then?
When they fall outside the scope of the Constitution and when they interfere with parental sovereignty, yes. I don't believe in a separate class of crimes based on the victims being children. Assault is assault regardless of the age of the victim. Rape is rape regardless of the age of the victim. Murder is murder regardless of the age of the victim.
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When they fall outside the scope of the Constitution and when they interfere with parental sovereignty, yes. I don't believe in a separate class of crimes based on the victims being children. Assault is assault regardless of the age of the victim. Rape is rape regardless of the age of the victim. Murder is murder regardless of the age of the victim.
Is neglecting to apply modern medical technology to the point where someone dies murder?

Is neglecting to apply modern brake technology to the point where someone dies murder?
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Is neglecting to apply modern medical technology to the point where someone dies murder?
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Is neglecting to apply modern brake technology to the point where someone dies murder?
No.
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