I never had a flu vaccination and only had the flu once before I went into the military. Then I had to walk this gauntlet in basic training with medics lined up along each side injecting vaccinations one right after another into each arm.

I was sick as a dog the next day - with the flu! Never again.

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Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Sometimes, vaccines such as those for the flu will get you sick in the process of making you immune to that strain. Usually, the sickness is nowhere near as severe as if you weren't immunized. Flu vaccines are important, but difficult, because the flu mutates quickly.

The flu killed more people than all the military casualties in ww1.

As I have mentioned before, vaccines are largely safe and you usually do not get sick from them. There are various types of vaccines. Some, for example, inject you with a weakened, but live virus. Some a dead one. Some only parts of the pathogen. The function is to build antibodies so when you meet the real thing next time, you are better prepared against it. The history of vaccine use has shown up to 99% extermination rates of major diseases that used to kill people. They are a success and the most important weapon, next to antibiotics, that we have in the war on sickness.

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Some studies DO show a link. A net search will bring up a lot of info about the links between autism and pertussis vaccine. As I mentioned before, Mercola.com has a lot of articles about this - and it is an MD's website.

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Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

There are no credible, peer reviewed studies that show any actual link between Autism and vaccines. There are a few internet rumor sites. That a webpage is operated by a doctor doesn't mean it's reliable. There are thousands of quacks on quackwatch who prescribe bogus homeopathic remedies too. Quacks are quacks.

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According to the journal "Archives of General Psychiatry," a California study published within it indicated that they could find no links between Autism and and vaccines. Their research concluded that the mercury component Thimerosal did not contribute to Autism.

After thimerosal was removed in 1999, the cases of Autism did not decline, which is inconsistent with the hypothesis that the ingredient is the causal agent. A CDC study held in September also agreed wit the findings.

California Study Finds No Link Between Vaccines, Autism | Wired Science from Wired.com

ANOTHER study also indicates NO link between Autism and Vaccinations, published in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine.

NEJM -- Early Thimerosal Exposure and Neuropsychological Outcomes at 7 to 10 Years


I think I have proven my case.

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No, but prior to certain guarantees of worker rights, it really was a brutal free-for all. I think we can (and have) do a lot better than that. This isn't the 1800s.

Criminal neglect is just a bare minimum. I expect adults to know better.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

On the other hand, I have seen numerous articles destroying it as complete myth.

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An employee gets trampled to death by a frenzied, greedy mob at a Walmart sale, and customers actually complained when the store closed. Yet, I'm the bad guy for suggesting policies that assume people act like retarded herd animals that need government nannying and control....

I will be honest and say I don't know enough about vaccinations to have a good argument
but I do think it is sad that a child must suffer becuase of the delusional beliefs of the parents.

If the parent said that they couldn't be vaccinated becuase an alien space craft wont take them to mars no one would argue that they need help

but if they say that an invisible man says they must not take vaccinations becuase he will do all the healing they need then everyone jumps on the they have the rights to believe as they choose bandwagon. Thats what bothers me.

You don't see those same people giving any credence to witch doctors or shaman.
So its only the magic they believe in that counts.

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Walt Whitman
"I say that democracy can never prove itself beyond cavil, until it founds and luxuriantly grows its own forms of art, poems, schools, theology, displacing all that exists, or that has been produced anywhere in the past, under opposite influences."

Not everyone who opts out of vaccinations does so for religious reasons. I didn't do it for religious reasons, but because I questioned the safety of the pertussis vaccine back in the early 80's when my son was a baby receiving his shots. Others opt out for the same reasons but sometimes cannot admit why, because:

Tennessee and some other states allow parents to opt out of getting their children vaccinated for religious reasons only and require a statement of faith. Although my reasons were NOT religious at all, the only way I could prevent my child from receiving injections that were potentially harmful was to write a statement of faith. Thus, any statistics that might result regarding the numbers of people who opt out for religious reasons will be skewed by the people who were forced to write a statement of faith that was false, just to keep their child from being vaccinated like I did.

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Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

True. Not everyone gets out of it because of religious reasons. Some people have just bought into the propaganda. Either way, it shouldn't be allowed.

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