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Old 06-21-2008, 12:47 PM
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OH NO - MEASLES! You know something? I had the measles when I was little. I had the mumps, too. It was no big deal. I'm glad I live in a state where someone is allowed to opt out of immunizations because of their beliefs. Immunizations today are driven by the profit motives of the pharmaceutical industry. If they were truly driven by health concerns, toxic substances like mercury wouldn't be allowed in them.

Look at the commercials for a new vaccine being marketed heavily towards Young girls called Gardisil here in the US. It MAY help protect against SOME cancers, according to the ads. But then again it might not. Now there is a movement in some states to make this vaccine mandatory for girls. This movement is spearheaded by the industry that stands to make enormous profits from forcing people to use their product.



I recently read an article stating that those in the US who are opting out of the immunization programs for their children are the more educated. Mercola.com has a lot of info about this.



People who don't share your views aren't evil so quit with the insults. I consider forcing one's views on others against their will through legislation to be one of the greatest evils there is.



We are talking about people, not livestock. Each individual should have the right to decide and shouldn't have that decision made by some legislator or drug company.
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Old 06-21-2008, 12:59 PM
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You know something? I had the measles when I was little. I had the mumps, too. It was no big deal. I'm glad I live in a state where someone is allowed to opt out of immunizations because of their beliefs. Immunizations today are driven by the profit motives of the pharmaceutical industry. If they were truly driven by health concerns, toxic substances like mercury wouldn't be allowed in them.
Measles and mumps are merely one example. THere are far more deadly diseases that this can impact. Regardless, it's immoral to decrease herd immunity to Measles too.

Of course you can make a profit off of vaccines, but it's not much, actually. Vaccines are not huge moneymakers in the long run. Regardless again, you can't use the argument "people can make money off of it" to dismiss vaccines any more than you can use the argument that people can profit from electricity to dismiss its benefits.

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I recently read an article stating that those in the US who are opting out of the immunization programs for their children are the more educated. Mercola.com has a lot of info about this.
I doubt that, but even if it were true, it just means they are educated idiots who are basing their decisions off of ignorance. It changes little.

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People who don't share your views aren't evil so quit with the insults. I consider forcing one's views on others against their will through legislation to be one of the greatest evils there is.
Causing people to get sick and killing them because you don't feel like being made to get a vaccine that will not only help you, but likely be harmless to you, is evil. It's not an insult if it's true.

My way saves lives. The anti-vaccine nutters are crazy and endanger them. Vaccines are largely not harmful, and they are responsible for annihilating countless pathogens. They are a key weapon in war on disease. Anti-vaccine nutters are deliberately sabotaging this system by spreading rumors, lies, and then believing those made up by others. Incidents of vaccines harming people are rare, the ingredients in them do NOT cause Autism, and vaccines will not make you diseased. These are all vicious lies that cost lives. There are no credible scientific studies which link autism to vaccines or any widespread harm, actually. The mercury thing is nothing more than a lame target. The one's promoting this nonsense are quacks, as I indicated on quackwatch. Quack quack quack. Right up there with perpetual motion machine frauds. Refer to my links. It will dispel many of these myths.

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We are talking about people, not livestock. Each individual should have the right to decide and shouldn't have that decision made by some legislator or drug company.
No, he shouldn't. He should sit down, shut the fck up, and do what he's told for the health of the community. Or, he can have a one way ticket to isolation. His choice. His choices cease to be his personal choices when they threaten the health of the community because he's being unreasonable. The only valid reason for opting out is if you have a serious preexisting complication, not religion, not "I want to," or anything else. The more people who opt out, the easier it becomes, the worse the herd effect is.

The problem today is that so many people don't know what it was like before vaccines. They have grown complacent and idiotic because they don't face any real disease or problems. It's like living in wonderland where everyone's head's in the clouds. If people talked less and did what they were told by those informed more, there would be fewer problems.
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Measles and mumps are merely one example. THere are far more deadly diseases that this can impact. Regardless, it's immoral to decrease herd immunity to Measles too.

Of course you can make a profit off of vaccines, but it's not much, actually. Vaccines are not huge moneymakers in the long run. Regardless again, you can't use the argument "people can make money off of it" to dismiss vaccines any more than you can use the argument that people can profit from electricity to dismiss its benefits.



I doubt that, but even if it were true, it just means they are educated idiots who are basing their decisions off of ignorance. It changes little.



Causing people to get sick and killing them because you don't feel like being made to get a vaccine that will not only help you, but likely be harmless to you, is evil. It's not an insult if it's true.

My way saves lives. The anti-vaccine nutters are crazy and endanger them.



No, he shouldn't. He should sit down, shut the fck up, and do what he's told for the health of the community. Or, he can have a one way ticket to isolation. His choice. His choices cease to be his personal choices when they threaten the health of the community because he's being unreasonable.
You really have to drop the moralist argument. That only works with YOUR morals. I find your methods to be immoral.

It is not true.
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Ya well I am off to go club some baby seals, maybe eat some small children. Ya know because I am evil and all.
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Ya well I am off to go club some baby seals, maybe eat some small children. Ya know because I am evil and all.
Since I'm an anti-mandatory-vaccination nutter and therefore evil I think I'll join you.
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I never got vaccinations and I am healthy as an ox.

I was allergic to egg whites as a baby and vaccinations use egg whites as a base.
So I never got any.
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Not everyone who doesn't get vaccinations will get sick. That doesn't mean anything any more than if you said you smoked all your life and didn't get cancer. It doesn't negate the danger in doing so.
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I think I missed out on several of my vaccinations. I don't really know.

Do they make a vaccination for bad knees? I would've liked that one!
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I'm not against vaccinations but I do think it needs more research.

I have heard that there might be a connection between vaccinations and the increase in
Autism.
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There is no connection between Autism and vaccines. It's a myth. Studies clearly show no link.
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