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Old 06-20-2008, 05:14 AM
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1. It was founded at a time when there was racism. It was not founded on it.
2. There is nothing in the constitution or in politics that is racist or pursueing a racist agenda.
3. Skinheads are some of the most hated in America.
4. As a whole, no. Individuals perhaps, but no one in politics would be dumb enough to make that claim or pursue anything promoting it.
So he's wrong.

For what it's worth and given I'm not American, I would agree with you.
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:48 PM
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“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”
Racism and black concerns didn't have anything to do with 9/11, it was bad foreign policy matters.

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“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”
Technically, racism did start this country because white settlers felt Africans were inferior and needed "help," or the settlers were just lazy and couldn't build colonies themselves. And racism was a factor that used to run this country, not now however.
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:33 PM
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Grim gave us these two statements - I believe - from pastor Wright. The question is, are the statements fact, or Racist, or can they be both??

“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.”

I don't see this statement as racist because I think the statement is true. But is it also racist?



“Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!…We [in the U.S.] believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God.”

They apparently believe that racism does exist today. Does that make the statement racist?
Neither are racist unless you want them to be. The first one was just silly, as I'm pretty sure race had nothing to do with 9/11. The second one, though somewhat true, is not entirely true (making it a false statement). Hopefully, people can forget about race and just look at people as people.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:35 AM
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Neither are racist unless you want them to be. The first one was just silly, as I'm pretty sure race had nothing to do with 9/11. The second one, though somewhat true, is not entirely true (making it a false statement). Hopefully, people can forget about race and just look at people as people.
Well said mkffe, and good to see you back.
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1. It was founded at a time when there was racism. It was not founded on it.
2. There is nothing in the constitution or in politics that is racist or pursueing a racist agenda.
3. Skinheads are some of the most hated in America.
4. As a whole, no. Individuals perhaps, but no one in politics would be dumb enough to make that claim or pursue anything promoting it.
Actually, it was founded on a labor system that enslaved black people because of who they were. So I would say it was founded on racism.

Wrong. Slavery was enshrined in the Constitution when it was written.

I find this ironic, because we hate skinheads, but all of the most rich people are white (and most of the just plain rich people), almost all of the politicians are white, black people have incredibly high unemployment rates compared to whites, and black people are overwhelmingly at the bottom of the economic ladder.
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... Slavery was enshrined in the Constitution when it was written.

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What is that supposed to mean? What part of "All Men are created equal" are you having a hard time understanding?
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:44 PM
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What is that supposed to mean? What part of "All Men are created equal" are you having a hard time understanding?
Funny, I thought that was the Declaration of Independence that said that.

And yet, at the same time, Jefferson owned slaves.
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Actually, it was founded on a labor system that enslaved black people because of who they were. So I would say it was founded on racism.

Wrong. Slavery was enshrined in the Constitution when it was written.

I find this ironic, because we hate skinheads, but all of the most rich people are white (and most of the just plain rich people), almost all of the politicians are white, black people have incredibly high unemployment rates compared to whites, and black people are overwhelmingly at the bottom of the economic ladder.
Slavery was not in the constitution. In fact, it was almost entirely left out of the constitution purposefully because it was controversial and could have torn the states apart.


And not all of the problems of minorities are the fault of whites. Sure some mental racism plays part at times, but part of the problem lies within the culture of minorities, especially in poor urban environments where gangs, poverty, and lawlessness breed these problems.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:16 PM
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Funny, I thought that was the Declaration of Independence that said that.

And yet, at the same time, Jefferson owned slaves.
It did. It was also the founding document, meaning that the Constitution follows from it.

Lots of wealthy people owned slaves. Most became Democrats.
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Speaking of slavery and race....
When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed
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