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Old 06-16-2008, 04:48 PM
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Um... being able to get an erection is necessary for a healthy sex life. It has everything to do with having a working sexual system.

If these 'moral' issues had to do with the fact that people are out having sex, then why not ban Viagra too?

The fact that they do not ban Viagra, which you readily admit is needed for sex for older men and they DO ban medications that have many many other uses besides contraception is discrimination. What else do you call it? Narrow-sighted ethics?
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Old 06-16-2008, 05:01 PM
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Um... being able to get an erection is necessary for a healthy sex life. It has everything to do with having a working sexual system.

If these 'moral' issues had to do with the fact that people are out having sex, then why not ban Viagra too?

The fact that they do not ban Viagra, which you readily admit is needed for sex for older men and they DO ban medications that have many many other uses besides contraception is discrimination. What else do you call it? Narrow-sighted ethics?
Yes, it is stupidity, or narrow-minded ethics, or whatever.

They have some ill concieved view that it is teenagers that birth control pills and the morning after pill, while it is old men that use viagra. They believe that they are trying to stop kids from having sex, they could care less about old people. They are not targeting women, but young people.
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No, they are targeting women, because they would be perfectly happy for women to be barefoot and pregnant at home. They are afraid of women having healthy sex lives that they enjoy. After all, only sluts enjoy sex. It is the religious right that is spearheading this and they have a long history of trying to suppress women and denying them the right to equality in the realm of sexuality.
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I disagree. A pharmacist is a licensed medical professional and they are bound by the Hippocratic oath to help people. No where in the oath does it say you are allowed to opt out of helping your patients.

And in some places, there is only one pharmacy. So a woman who has been raped will be forced to drive an hour to the next pharmacy and pray that they will allow her to have her prescription?
Still it doesnt mean a store is obligated to sell certain products such as contraceptive measures.

The hippocratic oath means help people, it doesnt say you must sell everything possible to help someone. I dont think your scenario is very good anyways, if you get raped--the emergency condition is usually not going to be possible pregnancy, it is going to be wounds accumulated by beating, etc...
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Still it doesnt mean a store is obligated to sell certain products such as contraceptive measures.

The hippocratic oath means help people, it doesnt say you must sell everything possible to help someone. I dont think your scenario is very good anyways, if you get raped--the emergency condition is usually not going to be possible pregnancy, it is going to be wounds accumulated by beating, etc...
Um... a pharmacy is not a "store", they are a vital part of the medical community. We are not talking whether they carry cotton swabs. *rolls eyes*

And yes, making sure that a rape victim can get access to emergency contraception is important, whether you want to believe it or not.
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Um... a pharmacy is not a "store", they are a vital part of the medical community. We are not talking whether they carry cotton swabs. *rolls eyes*

A pharmacy is still not required to have everything. Whether or not they choose to carry this or that is still there own choice.

And yes, making sure that a rape victim can get access to emergency contraception is important, whether you want to believe it or not.
Its not a medical emergency though, which is what it was being painted as. If the victim does not get her pills at one store she can go somewhere else (even though all rape victims are required to go to a hospital if they call rape. For both medical and legal purposes).
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And yet, some women are not able to "just go to another store", not to mention the fact that it is cruel and unusual.

Tell me, how much of an emergency is it for men to get Viagra? Why stock that but not the emergency contraception?
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And yet, some women are not able to "just go to another store", not to mention the fact that it is cruel and unusual.

Tell me, how much of an emergency is it for men to get Viagra? Why stock that but not the emergency contraception?
I wasnt argueing for or against it. Its stupid to me, I was responding to an earlier point that they should be required to provide contraception because they are required to help the customer.

Although, from their standpoint, viagra is simply for sex, not contraception--which they seem to be against.
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I wasnt argueing for or against it. Its stupid to me, I was responding to an earlier point that they should be required to provide contraception because they are required to help the customer.

Although, from their standpoint, viagra is simply for sex, not contraception--which they seem to be against.
Right. They are for men getting sex, but they are against women being able to not be pregnant. They want women forced to bear dozens of kids. They are sick.
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Right. They are for men getting sex, but they are against women being able to not be pregnant. They want women forced to bear dozens of kids. They are sick.
Well to say it is what the want means nothing. They have an idealistic/unrealistic veiwpoint on family planning-planned familying...whatever.

Still I dont disrespect that ideal. I know we cant follow it, but its still their beleif.
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