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And again, that should be illegal. If someone is raped and needs a prescribed med (which you have to take immediately), then they should be given it, not have some moron with a complex deny them their medical treatment because they want to use their power over someone as a soapbox.
Then they can go somewhere else, the only place that are doing this, are places with many options, in the city and suberbs.
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A man will not be sold condoms either, so that is gender neutrality. If a women has no contraceptives, they will less often put out, meaning less for the men, so it also effects the men. At my high school, it was the man's duty to have the condom, no condom, you stay home by yourself.
Uh... yea, because statistics have shown that denying people contraceptives cuts down on unwanted pregnancies.

And excuse me if I do not play a violin for your "well, if a man cannot get condoms, then they don't get sex" bull**** reasoning. We are talking women being denied MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED medicines.
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Then they can go somewhere else, the only place that are doing this, are places with many options, in the city and suberbs.
Try reading up on the subject. You are wrong.
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And excuse me if I do not play a violin for your "well, if a man cannot get condoms, then they don't get sex" bull**** reasoning. We are talking women being denied MEDICALLY PRESCRIBED medicines.
Your article was about all contriceptives, including condoms.
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Try reading up on the subject. You are wrong.
Wow, amazing argument.

Your article (which you posted in the OP) talked about DMC with is only in Detroit and the surrounding areas, where there is many options for people. If you want your birth control, you can go somewhere else, if I want condoms, I can go somewhere else, that's the joy of competition. The DMC is not in farm areas where they are the only option.
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The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.

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Wow, amazing argument.

Your article (which you posted in the OP) talked about DMC with is only in Detroit and the surrounding areas, where there is many options for people. If you want your birth control, you can go somewhere else, if I want condoms, I can go somewhere else, that's the joy of competition. The DMC is not in farm areas where they are the only option.
You do realize that there is more to the subject than just this one article, right? Yes, this one store is not there, yet there are other stores that have and will refuse to give women their prescriptions. That is a problem, whether or not you feel it is. This is not about condoms. It is about providing the SAME LEVEL OF MEDICAL ATTENTION AND SERVICE to women as we do to men. Men can get their viagra to have sex... but we deny women the resources to care for their sexual health. That is a double standard.
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You do realize that there is more to the subject than just this one article, right? Yes, this one store is not there, yet there are other stores that have and will refuse to give women their prescriptions. That is a problem, whether or not you feel it is. This is not about condoms. It is about providing the SAME LEVEL OF MEDICAL ATTENTION AND SERVICE to women as we do to men. Men can get their viagra to have sex... but we deny women the resources to care for their sexual health. That is a double standard.
No it's not, viagra and plan B are not even close to the same thing. They are practically opposites. Men can get Viagra to have sex and women can get EstraVil to have sex, that is equality. Both men and women would be denied condoms or other contraceptives, that is equality, I disagree with the decision, but it is not discrimination.
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New laws shore up providers’ right to refuse treatment based on values

In a survey published this year in The New England Journal of Medicine, 63 percent of doctors said it is acceptable to tell patients they have moral objections to treatments, and 18 percent felt no obligation to refer patients elsewhere.

Lori Boyer couldn't stop trembling as she sat on the examining table, hugging her hospital gown around her. Her mind was reeling. She'd been raped hours earlier by a man she knew — a man who had assured Boyer, 35, that he only wanted to hang out at his place and talk. Instead, he had thrown her onto his bed and assaulted her. "I'm done with you," he'd tonelessly told her afterward. Boyer had grabbed her clothes and dashed for her car in the freezing predawn darkness. Yet she'd had the clarity to drive straight to the nearest emergency room — Good Samaritan Hospital in Lebanon, Pennsylvania — to ask for a rape kit and talk to a sexual assault counselor. Bruised and in pain, she grimaced through the pelvic exam. Now, as Boyer watched Martin Gish, M.D., jot some final notes into her chart, she thought of something the rape counselor had mentioned earlier.

"I'll need the morning-after pill," she told him.

Dr. Gish looked up. He was a trim, middle-aged man with graying hair and, Boyer thought, an aloof manner. "No," Boyer says he replied abruptly. "I can't do that." He turned back to his writing.

Boyer stared in disbelief. No? She tried vainly to hold back tears as she reasoned with the doctor: She was midcycle, putting her in danger of getting pregnant. Emergency contraception is most effective within a short time frame, ideally 72 hours. If he wasn't willing to write an EC prescription, she'd be glad to see a different doctor. Dr. Gish simply shook his head. "It's against my religion," he said, according to Boyer. (When contacted, the doctor declined to comment for this article.)

Boyer left the emergency room empty-handed. "I was so vulnerable," she says. "I felt victimized all over again. First the rape, and then the doctor making me feel powerless." Later that day, her rape counselor found Boyer a physician who would prescribe her EC. But Boyer remained haunted by the ER doctor's refusal — so profoundly, she hasn't been to see a gynecologist in the two and a half years since. "I haven't gotten the nerve up to go, for fear of being judged again," she says.

Doctors refusing treatment
Even under less dire circumstances than Boyer's, it's not always easy talking to your doctor about sex. Whether you're asking about birth control, STDs or infertility, these discussions can be tinged with self-consciousness, even embarrassment. Now imagine those same conversations, but supercharged by the anxiety that your doctor might respond with moral condemnation — and actually refuse your requests.
Women's health is placed at risk, especially when doctors and pharmacists will not even give them a referral to someone who WILL treat them.
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No it's not, viagra and plan B are not even close to the same thing. They are practically opposites. Men can get Viagra to have sex and women can get EstraVil to have sex, that is equality. Both men and women would be denied condoms or other contraceptives, that is equality, I disagree with the decision, but it is not discrimination.
No dear. Women take the pill for many reasons that have nothing to do with contraception. For example, because their hormones are not regulating properly and because they would like to stop having a constant period for months on end. Just as a man wishes to have an erection and have sexual health, so does a woman wish to have her sexual organs function correctly. THEY ARE THE SAME.

It is discrimination, whether you wish to see it or not.

Oh, and since Plan B is to help a Rape victim not become pregnant... please explain how it is not discrimination to refuse to allow a victim access to a needed medicine? Or are you saying that rape victims should be forced to become pregnant because someone else feels it is in their best interest?
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No dear. Women take the pill for many reasons that have nothing to do with contraception. For example, because their hormones are not regulating properly and because they would like to stop having a constant period for months on end. Just as a man wishes to have an erection and have sexual health, so does a woman wish to have her sexual organs function correctly. THEY ARE THE SAME.

It is discrimination, whether you wish to see it or not.

Oh, and since Plan B is to help a Rape victim not become pregnant... please explain how it is not discrimination to refuse to allow a victim access to a needed medicine? Or are you saying that rape victims should be forced to become pregnant because someone else feels it is in their best interest?
A man does not take viagra to have regular sexual health, it is strictly for a sex aid, birth control for a bodily function is not a sex aid, therefore they are not the same.

It is not discrimination whether or not you want it to be.

Sexism (I assuming that is the discrimination that you are talking about, but if I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me) means that they are being targeted because of their gender. There is nothing to show that they are being targeted because they are women. They would not sell plan B to a man or a woman, therefore it is not sexism.

Again, I've already told you that I don't agree with what they are doing, but it isnot driven by sexism and is not the place for government to control.
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