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Old 06-19-2008, 10:54 AM
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Condorman, the fact that you can, with a seemingly straight face, state that it is ok not to allow women access to pills because they have the other option of getting monthly surgery is sick.
I never said "it was okay" read the posts. I said that there are other options, and then I said, even though the pill is still the best option. Read the posts, and stop adding words.
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If a pharmacist has moral issues with doing his job, then he should find a job that does not conflict with his morals. Who is he to say what a woman can or cannot get as a prescription?

Oh, and there you go with insults and slurs again. Lumara is a leftist now, because she disagrees with you? What next? Are you going to call her a promiscuous broad?
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I never said "it was okay" read the posts. I said that there are other options, and then I said, even though the pill is still the best option. Read the posts, and stop adding words.
Yet you are saying women should not be upset, since they always will have other options. Well, men have other options if they cannot get condoms. There is always a vasectomy.
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As has already been pointed out in this thread, there is NO free market when it comes to prescription drugs. To deny one gender access to prescriptions in such a LIMITED market not only can create hardship in some cases, it is just wrong.
Actually, it is a very open market, given how many different pharmacies that there are out there. And so far the only places to impliment this process have only done so in very open markets, where you can go across the street to another pharmacy. So far in practice, there is not any issue that isn't solved with simply going to another pharmacy.
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Yet you are saying women should not be upset, since they always will have other options. Well, men have other options if they cannot get condoms. There is always a vasectomy.
I didn't say they shouldn't get upset. And yes, a vasectomy is another option for men. I only said that there are other options, I didn't say that they should take those options or be happy with them or not get upset with them, only that the options were there.
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And yet, if the only pharmacy which will take your insurance happens to be the one that refuses to give you your prescription, you are out of luck. That is wrong and that is discriminatory, whether you wish to see it or not. Funny that the women can see the discrimination and the males seem unable to see it.
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I think this sums it up quite nicely.

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Some drugstores are starting to refuse to sell contraceptives (including condoms). This, understandably, worries a lot of people who think contraceptives should be available to women everywhere. Slate's ever-contrary Will Saletan isn't worried. Trouble is, his is an argument that's been made time and time again and it's still pretty dumb.

First off, he says that pharmacies that don't stock contraceptives aren't a big deal because "Your burden consists of finding another pharmacy." That's fine if you live in a big city, but in rural areas there often aren't a lot of pharmacies and so if your local one refuses to help you you've got a big problem, especially if you don't drive.

Never fear though, Saletan anticipated that objection! "Whole regions where pharmacies won't stock contraceptives? Come on. Only seven have even signed the "pro-life" pledge." Well, I'm glad you're confident Will, but I'm not (a. In places where it takes hours of driving to get to a pharmacy, several pharmacies making this kind of decision (not improbable in conservative areas) will mean that prescription contraception will become essentially unavailable. It's already hard to find emergency contraception in some places. Even pharmacists who don't much care about contraception may decide not to carry it under public pressure since it can't be a large part of their income. In fact, this is essentially what's happened with abortion in many states. Nor is contraception as uncontroversial as he thinks.

By the way, this is the same logic that people used to justify homeowners who didn't want to rent to minorities. That's just terrible, they clucked, but I wouldn't want to live in a world where the government told people who they could rent to. Well, as it turns out, that world is a lot better than the one it replaced.

Saletan says, "Please, don't tell moralists they have to do or sell whatever's legal. If you do, you won't like what happens to the law." And what, exactly, is that? What terrible consequence will ensue? Your guess is as good as mine. As people like Saletan refuse to acknowledge, we force policemen to enforce laws the disagree with, some states forbid discrimination against gay people over the religious objections of their citizens, and we require teachers to teach evolution (unsuccessfully, in many cases, but legally).

We make these kinds of balancing decisions all the time. In this case, I think it's pretty clear which side we should come down on. Forcing pharmacies to sell contraceptives does deprive people of some freedom, but making contraceptives essentially unavailable to many women seems to be a much worse deprivation of freedom to me.
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Actually, it is not discrimination. Discrimination is not an act, it is a reason for an act.

For example, it is not sexist for a man to beat a woman. It is sexist, if he beats her because she is a woman. It is not sexist to call a woman a bad driver. It is sexist to call her a bad driver because she is a woman. It is not sexist to not sell contriceptives to a woman. It is sexist to not sell them because she is a woman. And there is no evidence that the reason is because they are women, so there is no evidence that this is discrimination, whether you wish to see it or not.
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Actually, it is not discrimination. Discrimination is not an act, it is a reason for an act.

For example, it is not sexist for a man to beat a woman. It is sexist, if he beats her because she is a woman. It is not sexist to call a woman a bad driver. It is sexist to call her a bad driver because she is a woman. It is not sexist to not sell contriceptives to a woman. It is sexist to not sell them because she is a woman. And there is no evidence that the reason is because they are women, so there is no evidence that this is discrimination, whether you wish to see it or not.
Uh-huh. Just like it is not taking a away a woman's right to choose if someone denies them an abortion, because they would deny a man an abortion too. *rolls eyes*
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Uh-huh. Just like it is not taking a away a woman's right to choose if someone denies them an abortion, because they would deny a man an abortion too. *rolls eyes*
How did you jump from discrimination to rights? Was someone talking about rights?
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