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Old 06-16-2008, 02:52 PM
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Then the people can go somewhere else. This isn't every pharmacy, only one company that is doing this, and it will likely not be able to compete with others that are restricted by their morals.
Not everyone can "just go somewhere else". That is the point.
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Licenses can be revoked and have to be renewed every now and again. If they deny people access, then someone else will open up shop and fill the need and drive them out of business.

If there is an area that doesn't provide any birth control, than it would be a magnet for pharmacies that don't have the moral issue, and they can set up shop and clean out the pathetic competition.
Yes, that market-driven argument may work in a densely populated area, but what about those rural areas where people have to drive miles to shop? There may not be a large enough population in the region to support another business so there may not BE any other place for a woman to get her prescription needs filled.

There is more to this equation than simple market competition. It is about a licensed professional refusing to do his job in order to manipulate another's behavior, and to deliberately create hardship for one gender.
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Not everyone can "just go somewhere else". That is the point.
Why can't they? The DMC is only in one small area, Detroit and it's surrounding area. There are multiple places that one can go, people have choices.

In the country, where it maybe 50 miles to the next one, they are already suffering a problem with a near monopoly in their area and their problems would be fixed by competition, not regulation.
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HAHA again AnnE said the same thing in fewer words while I was writing. Maybe I'll just stfu.
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Yes, that market-driven argument may work in a densely populated area, but what about those rural areas where people have to drive miles to shop? There may not be a large enough population in the region to support another business so there may not BE any other place for a woman to get her prescription needs filled.

There is more to this equation than simple market competition. It is about a licensed professional refusing to do his job in order to manipulate another's behavior, and to deliberately create hardship for one gender.
It's not about one gender as the article said it was all contriceptives, perscription and not, not just the pill or plan B. This is not an issue about gender.
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Why can't they? The DMC is only in one small area, Detroit and it's surrounding area. There are multiple places that one can go, people have choices.

In the country, where it maybe 50 miles to the next one, they are already suffering a problem with a near monopoly in their area and their problems would be fixed by competition, not regulation.
Because this is not a problem of someone refusing to carry a certain brand. This is a problem of a medical professional not upholding the Oath he or she took.

This is not just about this chain. It is about the trend that says that women's reproductive health is less important than men's and that is a fact.
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It's not about one gender as the article said it was all contriceptives, perscription and not, not just the pill or plan B. This is not an issue about gender.
Yes, it is an issue of gender. Does the man get pregnant if he has no access to contraceptives? Is the man unable to get his prescription filled? No. It is the women. How anyone can say this is not a gender issue is beyond me.

Note: Many many women take the pill for non-contraceptive reasons. So to deny them access to a medically prescribed drug is unconscionable.
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Because this is not a problem of someone refusing to carry a certain brand. This is a problem of a medical professional not upholding the Oath he or she took.

This is not just about this chain. It is about the trend that says that women's reproductive health is less important than men's and that is a fact.
The medical professional has no choice, they don't stock the prescription any more, so it doesn't matter what the individual's morals allow or do not allow, it is the chain that is not stocking.
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The medical professional has no choice, they don't stock the prescription any more, so it doesn't matter what the individual's morals allow or do not allow, it is the chain that is not stocking.
And again, that should be illegal. If someone is raped and needs a prescribed med (which you have to take immediately), then they should be given it, not have some moron with a complex deny them their medical treatment because they want to use their power over someone as a soapbox.
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Yes, it is an issue of gender. Does the man get pregnant if he has no access to contraceptives? Is the man unable to get his prescription filled? No. It is the women. How anyone can say this is not a gender issue is beyond me.

Note: Many many women take the pill for non-contraceptive reasons. So to deny them access to a medically prescribed drug is unconscionable.
A man will not be sold condoms either, so that is gender neutrality. If a women has no contraceptives, they will less often put out, meaning less for the men, so it also effects the men. At my high school, it was the man's duty to have the condom, no condom, you stay home by yourself.
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