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Old 06-16-2008, 01:59 PM
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Exactly! His job is to dispense legal prescriptions, not to enforce his morality on others. He should also be fired for refusing to do his job, just like any other employee who refuses would be. And if a pharmacist has a moral question about this aspect of his job, he should go into another line of work that won't conflict with his beliefs.
I wonder if we would be accepting of a Dr who would say "Oh. The only way to save her life is to abort the baby? Sorry, no. We should just let God decide if they live or die." ....

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That's the idea, to try and prevent access, and this is wrong.

Think about it; a pharmacist (or insurance company) can deny contraception to women, but will dispense viagra so that impotent men can get a woman pregnant. It is a form of gender discrimination, usually based on religious beliefs.
Sure. Making sure old men have stiffies is important! More important than those uppity women's reproductive health!
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:01 PM
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Yes, but the pharmacist does not say: Oh, they put you on X, but I think Y would be better. If they catch an interaction, then they call the Dr and get a new prescription. They do not go ahead and give you something else.
Nope, they do that too. Most Pharmacists either have Chemistry or Biology BS's before getting their PharmD; a degree which requires study in organic chemistry, crystalline structures, human biology, drug interactivity, and yes, even medical diagnosis. Many of my friends and some of my family went through pharmacy school, and in many ways they are better versed in treatment of disease and illness than doctors.

Now, they can't question the diagnosis itself. If a doctor says, "you have pink-eye, take some anti-biotics", the Pharmacist is going to give you some manner of antibiotic, but will likely call the doctor and have them change the script from a name-brand to a chemically-identical but much cheaper generic drug. Pharmacists do A LOT of very scientific work for somebody working in a grocery store, and that, again, is why they make so much money.

Back on topic, they are still employees paid to do a job; get patients the drugs they need. Pharmacists who decide that you simply shouldn't have birth control should rightfully be fired immediately without warning and sent on their merry way.
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Old 06-16-2008, 02:03 PM
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So you feel it is ok to deny rape victims easy access to a prescription drug that will stop them from getting pregnant? A pharmacist is not allowed to determine whether or not a patient really needs a medicine. They are there to fill prescriptions. If they are unable to do so, they should find another line of work.
I already said that I don't agree with what they are doing, so I don't feel that it is okay to deny rape victims easy access to a prescription that their doctor assigns for them. But the pharmacy has the choice of what to stock and what not to stock.

I don't complain when my local coffee shop doesn't have the blueberry muffins that I like, but I don't complain, I just go to a different coffee shop to get what I want, without raising a fuss. People looking for condoms, or birthcontrol can do the same.
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They can call the Dr and suggest an alternative, but legally they cannot say "Oh, they gave you Xanax, but I think you will be better on... whatever." That was what I meant. They are not allowed to decide for you what is best for you. Your Dr does that.
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I already said that I don't agree with what they are doing, so I don't feel that it is okay to deny rape victims easy access to a prescription that their doctor assigns for them. But the pharmacy has the choice of what to stock and what not to stock.

I don't complain when my local coffee shop doesn't have the blueberry muffins that I like, but I don't complain, I just go to a different coffee shop to get what I want, without raising a fuss. People looking for condoms, or birthcontrol can do the same.
A pharmacy and a coffee shop are apples and oranges. Around here, there are laws regarding this. It requires licensed health care facilities to provide emergency contraception to victims of sexual assault upon the request of such victims. There is no "opt out" and if someone has a moral objection, then they have to make sure someone is on staff at the same time so they can handle the patient instead.
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The article is about the actual pharmacy and not just individual people with moral skews. If the state wants to provide the heath care license with full knowledge that the pharmacy won't be issuing contriceptives, then there is an "opt out" and people will have to go else where.
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The article is about the actual pharmacy and not just individual people with moral skews. If the state wants to provide the heath care license with full knowledge that the pharmacy won't be issuing contriceptives, then there is an "opt out" and people will have to go else where.
Most of these are already licensed pharmacies. And here, they would not legally be able to do this. However, around here it would not be a problem since most places have a CVS across the street from Walgreens. In rural america, there is not the same access and if they deny people access, it is a problem.

I wonder what the outcry would be if this was a case of denying men access to meds for their reproductive health and not women?
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Most of these are already licensed pharmacies. And here, they would not legally be able to do this. However, around here it would not be a problem since most places have a CVS across the street from Walgreens. In rural america, there is not the same access and if they deny people access, it is a problem.

I wonder what the outcry would be if this was a case of denying men access to meds for their reproductive health and not women?
Licenses can be revoked and have to be renewed every now and again. If they deny people access, then someone else will open up shop and fill the need and drive them out of business.

If there is an area that doesn't provide any birth control, than it would be a magnet for pharmacies that don't have the moral issue, and they can set up shop and clean out the pathetic competition.
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Licenses can be revoked and have to be renewed every now and again. If they deny people access, then someone else will open up shop and fill the need and drive them out of business.

If there is an area that doesn't provide any birth control, than it would be a magnet for pharmacies that don't have the moral issue, and they can set up shop and clean out the pathetic competition.
And yet, that is not the issue. What will happen next year is not the issue. The issue is that women are and will continue to be denied access to needed medication in the name of "morals". The issue is that there are women who have their prescriptions taken and refused to be returned. The issue is that these are often women who have just been raped or abused and who are hardly in a good state of mind to stand up for themselves against these self-righteous pricks.
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And yet, that is not the issue. What will happen next year is not the issue. The issue is that women are and will continue to be denied access to needed medication in the name of "morals". The issue is that there are women who have their prescriptions taken and refused to be returned. The issue is that these are often women who have just been raped or abused and who are hardly in a good state of mind to stand up for themselves against these self-righteous pricks.
Then the people can go somewhere else. This isn't every pharmacy, only one company that is doing this, and it will likely not be able to compete with others that are restricted by their morals.
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