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Old 06-18-2008, 02:54 PM
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And I reject Terrorism is criminal, as its a Tactic in Warfare. ALF and the rest are conducting Warfare. It's up to the State to acknowledge this and treat these situations as an act of war.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:58 PM
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Ding Ding..

If you read the law, it actually allows up to 90 days if need be.
Sorry I still can't see it, I'm sure it's just 42 days.
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Good thing you ask..

Your words, not mine.. Now do you see I ask this. As you have used the term home-grown terrorist (which is BROADLY defined).. as a means for criminalizing. You do not define what the phrase home-grown terrorist means to you.. which means anyone can say you are a home-grown terrorist if you disagree with them.
Yes, but as you say that's only because I haven't defined what I mean by the term yet.
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Sorry I still can't see it, I'm sure it's just 42 days.
And I am sure all the Gitmo prisoners will get fair trial.

Just as I am sure Anti-Terror Laws just go after "terrorist".

*rolling eyes*
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Yes, but as you say that's only because I haven't defined what I mean by the term yet.
Then define it. You clearly would have if you knew yourself. But you did not. So the standard term applies to what you said.
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And I am sure all the Gitmo prisoners will get fair trial. *rolling eyes*
Well show me where it's 90 days! I'm not arguing against this from some mindless defence of Brown but because I don't think it's true and have seen nothing to persuade me it is true.
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Then define it. You clearly would have if you knew yourself. But you did not. So the standard term applies to what you said.
What's the standard term? Anyone that disagrees with me? That's not how I'd define it, I wouldn't know exactly because I'm no expert but the broad meaning of a home-grown terrorist is obvious.
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All these people are innocent until proven guilty, you get that right? Next, there have been numerous examples of torture tactics, and being held for years without seeing a lawyer, no evidence being presented against you, even without the rest of it is terrible.
You are confusing realities of war and international law with US constitutional law. These terrorists are not US citizens, and US troops are not cops.
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Just as I am sure Anti-Terror Laws just go after "terrorist".
I know, I have no sympathy for my governmnet's actions, you seem to be trying to portray me as supporting what Brown is doing and what Blair did but i do not, but I am still also sure it is only 42 days that terrorists can be held for at the moment.
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You are confusing realities of war and international law with US constitutional law. These terrorists are not US citizens, and US troops are not cops.
So? I'm sorry but the principles of law are based on what is thought to be morally and practically (in some cases) right and should be applied in any situation they can be.
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