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Old 06-18-2008, 01:36 PM
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Enemy combatants (which all of them are, unless you want to consider the American citizens among them traitors and subject to being charged with treason) are prisoners of war and are entitled to the Geneva Conventions protections.
I could accept that though I still think the home-grown terrorists are just criminals, the problem we have now is that they are not considered enemy combatants, the phrase used is enemy non-combatants I think which is a meaningless phrase allowing the government to do what they like. I think we both agree the current situation is unacceptable, and if any country other than America tried this there would be hell to pay.
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Old 06-18-2008, 02:03 PM
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Internment camps in the 30s, 50s, 60s and 70s? Where? I don't remember reading about them. Sure the Maze prison was what, 70s into 80s? But internment camps?
You aren't going to read about it because it supports the case of the IRAs since 1921.


Yes, In Northern Ireland. What the British did was raid Republican communities and rounded up men who were between the ages of 16-40 who they thought were a risk to the Crown.

Crumlin Road jail was used in the 20s,,50s and 60s. As it held many Republicans without trial.
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I could accept that though I still think the home-grown terrorists are just criminals, the problem we have now is that they are not considered enemy combatants, the phrase used is enemy non-combatants I think which is a meaningless phrase allowing the government to do what they like. I think we both agree the current situation is unacceptable, and if any country other than America tried this there would be hell to pay.
So you think the Irish are criminals? Does that mean I can consider you a home grown terrorist as well?
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Now that is funny. Guess you cannot talk of the topic? LOL! I am not the topic, no matter how much you love me.

These men were released because the military had the wrong people. They held them for years. They tortured them, and then they released them because they realized they were wrong. Care to comment on that?
Its not my fault you are hypocrite. Those in Gitmo are innocent, but those in Texas are guilty... Gotcha..

Show me shred of evidence those in Texas are guilty.. you have yet to do that. The burden of proof is on you.
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Yes, I am no defender of my current government, though it is unfair to stck them with 90 days, the bill passed was 48 but I agree Blair did talk about 90 days. See the thread about George Galloway on the British police state and you'll see my feelings on the way we're going.
Its a new bill supported by Brown.
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Its a new bill supported by Brown.
It was new almost two years ago, now it does not exist as far as I know but if you can give me any proof of this I'd be interested because it would signal another nail in the coffin of labour party ideology.
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So you think the Irish are criminals? Does that mean I can consider you a home grown terrorist as well?
Sorry? You're going to have to explain yourself, I don't get where the Irish come into this nor how I can be considered a terrorist.
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It was new almost two years ago, now it does not exist as far as I know but if you can give me any proof of this I'd be interested because it would signal another nail in the coffin of labour party ideology.
Ding Ding..

If you read the law, it actually allows up to 90 days if need be.
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Sorry? You're going to have to explain yourself, I don't get where the Irish come into this nor how I can be considered a terrorist.
Good thing you ask..
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I could accept that though I still think the home-grown terrorists are just criminals
Your words, not mine.. Now do you see I ask this. As you have used the term home-grown terrorist (which is BROADLY defined).. as a means for criminalizing. You do not define what the phrase home-grown terrorist means to you.. which means anyone can say you are a home-grown terrorist if you disagree with them.
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Animal Liberation Front is a good example of a domestic terrorist organization.
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