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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 12-26-2007, 04:25 AM
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Bush the president has every right to defend this great union of ours. Because you smoked to much pot as a young child does not change that. The president is the CIC and his main job is the defense of our union. Clinton made love of woman and raped them for 8 years in let bin laden do this.
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Old 12-26-2007, 04:40 AM
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The most solemn duty of the President is to protect my freedom.

As Patrick Henry said, "give me liberty, or give me death."

Oh yeah, and I thought the government could "go to hell" unless it was banning murder, Matthew?

Stop reading Ann Coulter. That woman is a disgrace to the human race, let alone the country.
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:23 AM
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They probably screen huge numbers by computer that shows matches on key words. But what assurance do we have that, for example, Bush won't do a massive Watergate with all Democrats under surveillance in order to gain advantages in elections? There is no oversight to make sure that doesn't happen.

I'm not against the surveillance we need against terrorists, but they need to go to the FISA court for warrants.
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Old 12-26-2007, 10:26 AM
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Bush the president has every right to defend this great union of ours.
Bush does NOT have the right to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights. His administration has done greater harm to our country than any foreign terrorist organization because he is trampling on the freedoms that our country USED to stand for.
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Old 12-26-2007, 10:31 AM
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Do I think Bush is using or planning on using the wiretapping laws against us for his own gain? I doubt it. But they could be used against the public in the future, and that's what I'm afraid of. Bush can't really do anything anymore. Lame duck. The but the next president just might leave the current laws in place.

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Old 12-26-2007, 08:26 PM
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You can have both once the people of this country stand up for themselves and demand things happen. If people felt more connected to this country they would do a lot more to protect it rather than saying "Oh well the guy down the street will take care of it, or the government will come up with an answer" We are all responsible for the world we live in. You cant blame Bush, you cant blame Cheney, you can only blame your self. We all have the power to make a difference. No matter how small it is, just talking to someone, raising awareness. We are entering a state of affairs where more people care about what the sad sack of bones Brittney Spears is doing or whatever dumbass blond is doing at the moment. That is the problem.

The government is already working on other projects that will expand their ability to monitor the public. If anyone cares to learn about it, I can produce solid articles from reputable sites, not some nut job conspiracy site.
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Old 12-26-2007, 10:59 PM
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If our government feels it necessary to shut down our liberties and wiretap their own people without a warrant then this country needs to convert to 1940s Germany and start waving Nazi flags in the air.

So sad.

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Bush the president has every right to defend this great union of ours.
He has the right and responsibility to defend this country. He does not have the right or authority to do it by blatantly violating and ignoring the U.S. Constitution that gave him the right to be president in the first place.
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