And this from the man who so stupidly thinks he should be allowed to dictate to other parents how they must raise them.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Lowering the age of drinking to 18 makes me think of high school graduation nights. The long term trend has been an epidemic of teen car crashes due to alcohol. And some of those students are 18 by time they graduate. I hate seeing these accidents predictably every year with automobiles wrapped around trees with kids killed or maimed for life as a result.

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You mean "this from a man who had the audacity to tell me I don't have the right to kill my children as I see fit through medical neglect."

Yes. Indeed. From that man.

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Please refrain from personal putdowns and insults.

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He's actually carrying a vendetta across threads, following me to berate me for daring to disagree with him.

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Options: private message a moderator to bring up your concerns and or use the ignore list option.

In the meantime, lets get this thread back on topic.

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Wanna talk about creating an underclass of Americans. That would cut many families off at the knees. The chances of a bill like that passing is a little less than none.

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I'm very politically correct, handsome, intelligent and modest.

They shouldn't be driving intoxicated, then. Should they? No.

The US is too lenient on drunken drivers, even after they kill people.

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Perhaps give ONE warning and a suspended license, but do it again, then you lose it permanently. You shouldn't be mollycoddled when you are a threat to public safety as drunks are when on the road.

You could also say that we shouldn't put other dangerous people in prison either, given it will create hardships for the family.

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Doesn't sound like you are from the U.S.

First offense = 6 mos suspended license + 1 yr probation
Second offense = revoked license + 1 yrs in jail
Third offense (or without a license) = felony (5 yrs in prison)
Kill someone and it is second degree murder (used to be vehicular manslaughter).

Sounds real lenient now doesn't it?

It also depends on which state.

Can we apply these standards to those who are too busy talking on a phone, or putting on makeup to drive safely?