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Old 05-12-2008, 04:30 AM
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A thread sort of got into a tangent onto the nature of education so here it is so far:

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I think that mandatory state education is what all countries should have and is the best way of ensuring everyone gets a good education, however we're talking about a swimming class so she should be allowed to opt-out (or be opted-out).
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When you hold a gun to families heads to force their children to learn, it's a bad thing. We shouldn't be in the business of forcing them to learn. That produces children who fight the system, distract school rooms, and hurt those that want to learn and want to be somebody.

We should be about making them want to learn - simply because they chose to have a good paying job in our technological society.

If they want to be screw ups, sell drugs, wash dishes, be a Big Mac salesmen ...let them. I am not sure how many screw ups a year fail to graduate and at some later point in time go after a GED - on their own power. The only thing they managed to do in school was disrupt those there to learn. IMO
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Old 05-12-2008, 07:30 AM
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I'm not an expert on education systems but I'd really like to see No Child Left Behind....left behind. With that in mind education should be state-governed.
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I agree weith Levi that each individual state should administer a mandatory educational program requiring attendance from K-1 through grade 12. Participation in extra cirricular activities would be dependant on the student's GPA. Teachers ratings and job retention would be dependant on the avergae GPA of their students, not solely on union contracts.

Education is far too important to the success of a society to be left to the whims of the individual family unit.
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The education system must be under the direct control of the state, no corporations, no charity status, just tax funded equal education. Otherwise any claim you may have to being a meritocracy just doesn't cut it.
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The education system must be under the direct control of the state, no corporations, no charity status, just tax funded equal education. Otherwise any claim you may have to being a meritocracy just doesn't cut it.
I'd say that charitable donations for specialized labs and programs are acceptable as long as there is a clearly defined caveat that the donor gains no advantage of any sort other than honorable mention and an appropriate tax deduction. Many school districts are under extremely restrictive budgets and can't afford ancillary programs. For instance, my clinic provided a local high school with sufficient funding to construct and equip a pre-nursing medical sciences lab for the specific purpose of interesting and preparing students for entry into post high school medical education programs. We received nothing in return other than a brief ceremony celebrating the opening and our clinics name as part of labs name.
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A thread sort of got into a tangent onto the nature of education so here it is so far:
In answer to the title question, I'd say "No." The government has no business dictating to parents what they must do with their children. If the government wants children to indoctrinate then let it learn how to give birth to its own damned kids!
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I'd say that charitable donations for specialized labs and programs are acceptable as long as there is a clearly defined caveat that the donor gains no advantage of any sort other than honorable mention and an appropriate tax deduction. Many school districts are under extremely restrictive budgets and can't afford ancillary programs. For instance, my clinic provided a local high school with sufficient funding to construct and equip a pre-nursing medical sciences lab for the specific purpose of interesting and preparing students for entry into post high school medical education programs. We received nothing in return other than a brief ceremony celebrating the opening and our clinics name as part of labs name.
In the richest country on the planet (infact in most countries) there is no reason why that should happen. We have plenty of resources to give schools everything they need. The problem is private companies and individuals hold too much of these resources and the state is either too afraid or too tied up with these individuals to alter that. If the richest were properly taxed and even more so were blocked from acquiring such a perverse control of resources, then schools and all public services could be properly funded by the revenue generated within the state.
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I attended private school - and my son attended private school.

I think that education should go back the way it was until a century ago. Those in families with enough wealth to have them educated - or could get a patron - were educated. The rest started to work as soon as they were able.

I think we should return to that. Pay for what you receive. If your family isn't rich enough - and you can't obtain a patron - grab yourself a shovel. Who cares if the people who clean our streets and dig our ditches and pick our vegetables can read and write?
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I attended private school - and my son attended private school.

I think that education should go back the way it was until a century ago. Those in families with enough wealth to have them educated - or could get a patron - were educated. The rest started to work as soon as they were able.

I think we should return to that. Pay for what you receive. If your family isn't rich enough - and you can't obtain a patron - grab yourself a shovel. Who cares if the people who clean our streets and dig our ditches and pick our vegetables can read and write?
Exaclty, the plebs just waste their opportunities anyway.
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In the richest country on the planet (infact in most countries) there is no reason why that should happen. We have plenty of resources to give schools everything they need. The problem is private companies and individuals hold too much of these resources and the state is either too afraid or too tied up with these individuals to alter that. If the richest were properly taxed and even more so were blocked from acquiring such a perverse control of resources, then schools and all public services could be properly funded by the revenue generated within the state.
Perhaps it shouldn't happen but nevertheless it does indeed happen where schoold districts in many communities are forced to cut programs because of funding issues.

Government, business and industry have a stake in the education of the future workforce and it's to their advantage to enhance educational opportunities.
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