It's not even so much that. It is that education is all about socialisation. The classroom mirrors the workplace - with the managers and capitalists (teachers) and the workers (children). it is a place of indoctrinating subordination.

This is a basic and imo all too simplistic overview of a famous sociological study on the issue, but it gives a basic insight of their findings.

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Well to an extent all of them. They aren't too keen on having philosophical minded people with an understanding of history and the nature of society as it is. They want people with skills that can be exploited, that goes from minimum wage workers to the highest skilled workers.

But the more obvious examples are low paid, low skilled industries. I mean Mcdonalds doesn't want everyone being trained as teachers, doctors, engineers etc. They want you to be able stand up, smile and take orders. Be it Burger King, or a cleaning agency, refuse collectors or a supermarket, that is their requirements.

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If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

You're a doctor aren't you? Well no matter how much we disagree it's obvious that you've got some intelligence and to become a doctor your education must've been reasonable at least.

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But is that not a problem with how the American system is done rather than the idea behind it?

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The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union.
Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

Know they're not, the fact that we have so many people these days that are on forums, and openly communicating and that the people dispise Bush and his administration shows otherwise. If we were "indoctrinated" than we'd follow Bush even after the truth was presented, but we didn't. We have more people thinking for themselves that ever before.

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Woo forums.

Funny, that most success stories are like that.

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Well what if the parents die and the elderly poor grandparents are left as legal guardians, they are goiung to struggle to pay for the education, but they didn't plan for the child ? What if a family is reasonably well off - i don't mean rich, just in well paid working class jobs and the industry collapses or is moved abroads and there is shortages in the labor market ? The child or children will have to drop out of education for a year, maybe two, maybe even longer as the parents have to take up low paid jobs just to feed the family. Or what if the parent suffers an accident and is laid off from work, or becomes permanently disabled ? I think what your position really forgets or overlooks is that poverty works in cycles. The world is not so simple as rich and poor, unforeseen circumstances occur and too many people would be left behind.

Just look at the table on page 132. It may be a historical study, but it is relevant in that those who are classed as sometimes poor and often poor (whether that number today is smaller or larger is irrelevant, only that such groups exist matter) would suffer under what you advocate.

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If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

It's a place of teaching the following of rules, as is nessisary in all aspects of society. The differences between work and school are so vast. You can't get fired from school for poor preformance, in fact you get the opposite, more school.

I would disagree. Although Intel gets no benefit from me learning History (as it won't help me with my job), they still pay for me to take those classes in college, along with writing, english, economics, and physics (none of which help me in my job).

McDonalds prefers students as employees and will work with them to make a flexible schedule so that they can attend high school or college while working. They are also fulling aware that these students are going to leave the company and get better jobs, and they still give good references to assist in those people getting better jobs (though I can't speak for McDonalds, I can for KFC and Wendys).

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I support the idea of a voucher system. The problem has been the people writing specific proposals for vouchers have spun their proposals to fit the agenda of a special interest group, such as religion.

A voucher system would give parents a choice including home schooling. What comes to mind is a family with five kids being home schooled. All have high test scores on state exams. They are all VERY musically talented and are being recruited by the prestigious music colleges.

In public school, it would be impossible to reach their level of a thoroughly enriched education, including facilitating their intense interest in music. They would have had a generic education in the company of other students with no motivaion for learning. They would have been thoroughly exposed to rap music, teen sex fixation, drugs, foul language, video games, iPods, cell phones, cheating on tests, and probably would get picked on by the Jocks for being nerds.

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It shows our ability to actually think and discuss and not just mindlessly follow. Otherwise, no one would be on the internet for anything besides getting porn and the latest indoctrination video.

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