Techno, I just sent you a PM. You need to read it right away.

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How does that make sense?

They made a bad choice that was theirs to make and should be theirs to make.

As for the second parents they should keep their kids. Hopefully they will see that prayer does not work.

Kids should go to school, for the most part. Parents should make that decision. Others should stop trying to raise everyone else's children.

As for your previous post, nothing really important stated there. Not feeding your child at all is neglect. Putting them on a diet(whatever diet that may be) or treating them with alternative medicine is not. Not treating treating an injury is not either. Many injuries do not require treatment and which ones do and do not are up to the parent to decide. Nothing wrong with liberty and freedom. I am not for bossing other around. Think as you wish just do not force it on others.

People are stupid and don't know what's good for themselves. Many parents are stupid and don't know what's really good for their kids or just don't care.

That's why we need mandatory education. Given a choice, I would still go to school (maybe not as much, though). Many--hell, maybe most--would not.

Yeah, and when their degenerate kid robs your house, is it still their choice to make then?

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So is not giving them medical care. Glad we agree.


This is one definition of neglect: "to be remiss in the care or treatment of." Letting your kids die out of incompetence and stupidity because you fail to take reasonable measures to keep them safe, healthy is certainly negligent. If they die, it's negligent homicide. The first duty of a parent is to use all reasonable measures to provide for the health, welfare of their children.


You said it was ok if the parents killed their kids by praying instead of giving their kids medical treatment. It also therefore follows that it's okay to kill their kids by praying instead of feeding them, if that is what they believe. Failing to provide competent, reasonable medical attention to your children because you're a retard is just as negligent behaviour as is failing to feed them properly because you're a retard. You don't really understand this concept.

There is no such thing as the freedom to kill and/or neglect your children, regardless of what you may think otherwise. Praying to cure cancer will do nothing, except kill your kids. A competent parent would know this. You'd have to be a moron to think it would "help." You've obviously failed in your duties at that point.

Society does, why can't you seperate that from government. Society is the community, that means you and your fellow people.

You obviously have no idea what I think and can't talk about anything other than "nanny state this" and "nanny state that."

What defines "12th grade level"? A 12th grader in a public school is at a 12th grade reading level. If he sucks at reading that just means that the 12th grade reading level is really low. His reading level is the definition of a "12th grade reading level" so he can't not be at it. There are few right out of highschool that don't have that degree of reading. There are many that 20 years down the road don't have that degree of reading, because they don't need it for their jobs and so have forgotten it. The same goes for math, science and history. What you don't use, you forget.

Oh my goodness. No one, not even the government, is talking about stealing your child, get over it.

Different time, different culture, different understandings. Now-a-days we don't burn people at the stakes and we don't think that girls that know math are witches.

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It would not be the kids choice, not until college at least, that would be the responsibility of the parents. Most parents understand that education is important. Some kids may take up a trade instead of education and that is fine.

I would advise no one try to rob my house. I always have my door bolt locked and I am armed. Robbing someone is the kids choice to make unless the parents tell them to. I would say it is a bad choice, they will eventually end up being caught, injured, or dead.

No, we do not. Some food is a necessity of life. You could go all your life without needing medical treatment. It is up to the parent to decide whether any given injury needed medical treatment and what kind of treatment. It is just fact that people need food, it is up to the parents to decide what kind and how much. They provide what they believe to be reasonable, it may be a bad choice but it is theirs to make. Your comparison does not work with praying. I addressed why above. There is such thing as freedom to make decisions over your child until they are an adult or can make those decisions for themselves.

Oh, it can indeed happen. Governments and laws are tools, they can be used for good or bad.

For some things, yes. Depends on the issue, really.

I am a bit puzzled as to why this particular, conservative crew has inflated government and spent the way it has. Yet, liberals are still painted as the ones wanting to spend us into the ground, and create bloated, weird programs. Not that I'd accuse you of being Bush supporter, but it's just odd, isn't it?

Maybe. I never hear any details on how it would ever work, just vague assurances that it will do wonders. Much like the vaunted supply side economics arguments, the practice might not be everything the theory promises.

Yes, I agree that competition can be great. However, it's not the answer for everything, is it? The military? Road standards? Food inspection?

That's a problem, I agree. Of course, that's why I need ultimate uberpower!

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I can't believe that people are actually arguing that it's okay to not have their kids to go school. I thought that was pretty much a given in a modern, functional society. Odd.

Well, okay, but I don't want to catch anybody griping about how people are so stupid, then. If it's acceptable for parents to not educate their kids, be prepared to reap the consequences. If you think you are more qualified than a trained, certified teacher to educate your kid, that's fine. Just add deep fryer operation to your curriculum.

If/when I have a kid, he's going to attend normal school, and I will supplement whatever he might need as extra, like most parents probably do. I think it's foolish not to avail yourself of the public system already there.

I've said my piece (more than), so....

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