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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 05-11-2008, 04:52 PM
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I have learned that on this forum gays are a PC protected class of people.

Only pro-gay statments are allowed, and honest debate is NOT allowed.

Why is this? Are gays Not intelligent enough to defend their proclivities and lifestyle?

Other groups are allowed to be debated both pro and con. Again, why the difference?

You give yourself away. If you knew that, what would possess you to start a "baiting, trolling" thread, in order to solicit outrage and reaction?

It's not that gays are a "PC protected class of people" on this forum. Why should you or anyone else be allowed to "lash out", impune and insult "ANYONE", especially those who are different by way of sexual orientation?
This is not Nazi Germany. Homosexuals are not vilified. There is protection under the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. This is America....not some theocratic despotic Islamic nation.

Not only "pro-gay" statement are allowed here. What is not allowed is disrespect. Are you not intelligent enough to express your thoughts and inquiries without being insulting and disrespectful, is the question that needs to be asked.
I am gay, and intelligent enough to defend against your attacks...but you can't be respectful, so there can be no discourse. Fault yourself.
I have nothing that needs defending as this is a free country and I am entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as "I" see fit, not you.
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:53 PM
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If someone is gay, but doesn't want to be gay, how is providing them with an option to be what they want, insulting?

It actually shows that there is very little choice involved with being gay (because if it was pure choice, than they wouldn't need help becomeing not gay).
Just like people aren't forced to drink alchohol. It's a choice.

But some become alchoholics, and need help to overcome the addiction.
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Interesting site Al. I didn't know that it was possible to change, or that the concept of changing preference was possible.

Off topic: Personally if I felt that I was being baited, or that someone was trolling, I would steer clear of that thread. On the other hand, if I put my hand in the fire, well, you know the rest...
That's funny...you didn't steer clear of my Amerikka thread...and seems you got more than your hand into the fire....and well, you know the rest.....
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:58 PM
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Just like people aren't forced to drink alchohol. It's a choice.

But some become alchoholics, and need help to overcome the addiction.
Hey, Al...how many Muslims do you think drink alcohol.....I even know a few.
Sexual orientation is not a choice.
Is it a choice that you pray 5 times a day?
If not, then what are you talking about?
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Old 05-11-2008, 04:59 PM
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You give yourself away. If you knew that, what would possess you to start a "baiting, trolling" thread, in order to solicit outrage and reaction?

It's not that gays are a "PC protected class of people" on this forum. Why should you or anyone else be allowed to "lash out", impune and insult "ANYONE", especially those who are different by way of sexual orientation?
This is not Nazi Germany. Homosexuals are not vilified. There is protection under the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. This is America....not some theocratic despotic Islamic nation.

Not only "pro-gay" statement are allowed here. What is not allowed is disrespect. Are you not intelligent enough to express your thoughts and inquiries without being insulting and disrespectful, is the question that needs to be asked.
I am gay, and intelligent enough to defend against your attacks...but you can't be respectful, so there can be no discourse. Fault yourself.
I have nothing that needs defending as this is a free country and I am entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as "I" see fit, not you.
I don't believe I have insulted anyone on this thread.

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Old 05-11-2008, 05:02 PM
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I don't believe I have insulted anyone on this thread.

And yes, in America you are allowed to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of perversion".
Come on, Al.....you're so close...just a little bit further. You can do it. LOL.
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:06 PM
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Come on, Al.....you're so close...just a little bit further. You can do it. LOL.
Now that is pure baiting aaronssongs!!
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:09 PM
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Now that is pure baiting aaronssongs!!
Really? No one is putting the gun to your head....Stop Al...don't...there is still a chance (oh, pull the trigger, why don't you?)
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Old 05-11-2008, 05:16 PM
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Really? No one is putting the gun to your head....Stop Al...don't...there is still a chance (oh, pull the trigger, why don't you?)
It's sad that you don't value the lives of other human beings Aaronssongs.

But empathy is an emotion that comes to people like me naturally. And other people like you have to work on it.

Once you develope it,aaronssongs, your tolerance for normal people will greatly expand, and your hateful prejudices will melt away.
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Most Scientific and statistical data actually supports the idea that it is genetic.

They haven't found a simple set of markers to prove it but then sexuality isn't a simple system and simple answers don't work. that includes the idea that you can cure someone of it.

People can be taught to suppress their desires but that doesn't mean you have cured them of those desires.

Homosexuality has been found all over the natural world from dolphins to monkeys.
All the suppressed fear of homosexuals will not change the fact that it is not a disease.
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