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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 05-11-2008, 04:27 PM
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I am neutral in this debate and not taking sides. But they do say that have been helping people get out of homosexuality for over 30 years. So apparently they have had success in this area.
What a bald-faced lie. You are hardly "neutral" in this debate, as you are the one who initiated the thread....you, obviously are "trolling" and "baiting"...as you know the fireworks this kind of thread would produce.
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There is nothing scientifically proven to make it not a choice.

In other words, there is no gay gene.
You don't know that...there has been research which has documented "hetero brains" being chemically and physically different from "gay brains".
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Like I said, I am neutral in this debate.

Because, I would be banned if I stated my opinion.
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That's a good question and for me, the answer is both yes and no.

Yes, because it is fashionable to be homosexual where it is pushed on to school children as being a good lifestyle.

No, because in the genuine cases, it is a birth defect. Should they be discriminated for it? No.
Pushed onto school children? A "lifestyle"???? Is heterosexuality, a "lifestyle"????? Give me a break.
A birth defect??
You are mighty close to being reported for insulting those of this board that are gay or lesbian.
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Like I said, I am neutral in this debate.

Because, I would be banned if I stated my opinion.
I'm so glad you recognize the fact.
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I'm so glad you recognize the fact.
I have learned that on this forum gays are a PC protected class of people.

Only pro-gay statments are allowed, and honest debate is NOT allowed.

Why is this?

Other groups are allowed to be debated both pro and con. Again, why the difference?

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Interesting site Al. I didn't know that it was possible to change, or that the concept of changing preference was possible.

Off topic: Personally if I felt that I was being baited, or that someone was trolling, I would steer clear of that thread. On the other hand, if I put my hand in the fire, well, you know the rest...

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Interestng article Al. It speaks for itself.

Off topic: Personally if I felt that I was being baited, or that someone was trolling, I would steer clear of that thread. On the other hand, if I put my hand in the fire, well, you know the rest...
I could easily say that I was being baited or trolled when someone posts an anti-Islamic artical.

You don't see me running and crying to the Mods. I just enter full force into the debate and fight for my side.
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I could easily say that I was being baited or trolled when someone posts an anti-Islamic artical.

You don't see me running and crying to the Mods. I just enter full force into the debate and fight for my side.
"Cowboy up" is a term that comes to mind.
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First of all, I see this as "pure baiting". There is the assumption, of course, that there is something "wrong" with being gay, and therefore, the inclination would be to change from to "heterosexual". Since sexual orientation isn't a choice, anymore than one's preference for color, or flavor, or hot or cold, it's ridiculous to think that one "could" change if one wanted to.
Many people have difficulties in adjusting to their prescribed sexual orientation, and find it problematic...others are "well-adjusted", despite prejudices and biases against them, and lead happy, productive lives.
If someone is gay, but doesn't want to be gay, how is providing them with an option to be what they want, insulting?

It actually shows that there is very little choice involved with being gay (because if it was pure choice, than they wouldn't need help becomeing not gay).
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