And that's the point. To shock the system. You aren't going to shock the system by marching. July 12th, probably over 25,000, maybe more.. will be at the US Capital in Washington D.C. just to hear Ron Paul speak. Do you think the controlling figures in Media are going to talk about it?


What about them? They use tactics to get themselves heard, because US, UK, and most of Europe didn't listen to them when they tried to peacefully give their complaints.

Yep, I have no problem with that. It's called being fair. If we are going to in such manner towards England, then they have every right to do so themselves. Even if we didn't do it towards England, they still have that right.


Yes, I have no issue if FARC or the ETA uses these tactics. I only have an issue with FARC and ETA on their ideology.. but it still doesn't mean I stand with many who say Terrorism is bad. It's not. Terrorism is a tactic and it works.

The issue is we have to adjust from the idea that Wars are conventional still. Conventional wars ended during Vietnam.. when the Viet Cong showed us what Terrorism does. I also look at Terrorism as a form of Guerrilla Warfare.

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Well here we come to another complete ideological difference, I think terrorism in itself is wrong which is a key reason as to why I wouldn't call myself an ally of the FARC. I'm sorry but I think there's little chance of debate if you think that killing/harming innocents is acceptable, indeed a "right" nonetheless.

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All these are uses based on the original purpose to kill, target practice is getting better at aiming at what you want to kill, hunting is killing animals, urmm, I can't actually think of any other uses but I've made my point.

From your other points I think we have two main points of contention: firstly that you have a right to kill someone threatening you and secondly that prison is, or rather should be, about punishment.

I don't agree that you have the right to kill someone even if they are threatening you, by killing them or even by having the means of killing them you pose a threat to them. Now I'm sure you'll tell me that they threatened you first but ultimately in most cases by bringing a gun into a situation you force a standoff, you force the other guy to flee or fight. If he flees then brilliant, but if he fights then someone dies, and in my book being a criminal does not mean you deserve to die. It is said that two wrongs don't make a right, and I agree, someone threatening you and taking away from your freedom does not give you the right to do the same to them, at least IMO.

The other point about prison I think we've argued before and it goes off-topic, but basically my position is that prison should be about protecting society and rehabilitation not punishment alone, just as you punish a child to teach them to behave so the same should be with criminals.

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Not quite, some guns were designed to injure.(like many assault rifles)
Some are designed for target shooting, as a sport.
Not to mention the mere sight of a gun can scare a criminal off without any shooting needed.

It is not only to kill.

So you are completely against self defense? You disagree that if someone tries to kill you, lets say for the sake of example an angry person at a bar, you should either try to run and hide or die. That is just unacceptable to me.
A stand-off is much better than the options of getting robbed, assaulted, or dying. They take the risk or getting hurt or dying when they attack someone.

Yes, we have. I think justice is about retribution for the victims. I think it is an organized version entrusted to our government.