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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 12-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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What is your problem with giving them the land back exactly as it was taken from them?
Aside from being petty and spiteful, nothing really. But it might hurt us just as much. It would take away jobs and income from non-tribal members and businesses.
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:07 AM
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I thought most tribes already were able to issue their own passports and everything. How would secession really change anything at all?
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:19 AM
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^My thoughts exactly. Give the man a cigar!
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:22 AM
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^My thoughts exactly. Give the man a cigar!
I prefer my cigars stuffed with something other than tobacco. ;)
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:30 AM
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My aunt sells cannabis... ;)
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Old 12-22-2007, 01:35 AM
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My aunt sells cannabis... ;)
So do lots of people I know. My supply is unlimited due to the prosperous cannabis free market! It's almost perfect competition as defined by economists because they all sell the same item for different prices, except for that whole "it's illegal" thing.

Just remember kids, marijuana's bad even though all of its ill health effects come from smoking it because smoking anything is harmful and eating it has no bad health effects!
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:37 AM
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Russell Means ran for president twice for the Green Party. He is full blood Lakota. One heck of a guy. He played Chinachkook in the Last of the Mowhicans. I think I heard that he has a full blood Lakota wife and they have ten kids. Repopulating the tribe!

They already had a violent stand off with the feds back in the 70's. I don't want that to happen again.
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Passports? Wow. So you have to have a passport to be able to go into another state? That's awesome.
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So do lots of people I know. My supply is unlimited due to the prosperous cannabis free market! It's almost perfect competition as defined by economists because they all sell the same item for different prices, except for that whole "it's illegal" thing.

Just remember kids, marijuana's bad even though all of its ill health effects come from smoking it because smoking anything is harmful and eating it has no bad health effects!
marijuana effects... naa no reason to give kids a good reason to smoke it
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Well, in researching the Native American issues, I find one recurring theme. The United States Federal Government has systematically abused it's power. Each time a deal was set with the Native populations, the deal was renegotiated by the US, continually limiting Native rights, land, and thus chance at true independence.

Someone made the suggestion that we should give the land back without the improvements. That's not a repayment for the land taken. The Native populations haven't had use of the land stolen from them for nearly two full centuries. Considering this, any land given back to the Native populations would have to remain intact with all improvement plus a monetary sum that is a direct repayment for the revenues made off those lands. Oil extracted from the land? Cut em a check. Coal extracted from the land? Cut em a check. Farming on the land? Cut em a check. Any use of the natural resources on this land is an additional theft that would have to be repaid.

Now, as far as the Lakota, I don't think that they will succeed. Obviously the USFG will continue it's efforts at subduing the Natives. Should they be allowed? Sure. Using Locke's theory of social contract alone they should take what little they have left and run.
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