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Old 04-28-2008, 12:17 AM
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Default Defining resonable restrictions on guns

As we all know the issue of guns on this forum are rather heated but I want to try a different approach here.

How do you all define reasonable restrictions of firearms? Or conversely why do you feel there should be zero restrictions on firearms. If you are in the middle please explain.
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:53 PM
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As we all know the issue of guns on this forum are rather heated but I want to try a different approach here.

How do you all define reasonable restrictions of firearms? Or conversely why do you feel there should be zero restrictions on firearms. If you are in the middle please explain.
GOOD QUESTION!

IMO: Civilians don't need more than one or two grenade launchers and a few cases of ammo.

Sure - that sounds smart a$$ - but it isn't.

The other day I was reprimanded for getting out of my auto (in Car Pool Lane) because there have been some abduction threats at the elementary school my son goes to.

All I was doing was letting my sons Indian Ring Neck see stuff - the little bugger was looking for my son (I was next to my SUV - I wasn't wandering the play ground with a bag of candy)

As I see it - if I am there and a kid gets kidnapped - screw it ... I am too old to get beat on and the LAW SAYS no guns on school property.

Even if you can LEGALLY carry one on the streets ...

Who will have guns on a school property? CRIMINALS aka KIDNAPPERS & PERV'S ....

Good People are NOT available to assist in the protection of kids
... even if the teacher were to scream bloody murder - what can be done?

Not like a half dozen citizens can hold a criminal at bay until Law Enforcement gets there ...

Besides that ...

Look at how Bill Clinton cut the military in almost 1/2 ...

parents had to buy bullet proof vests for their kids in the Army
We got attacked AFTER the military was severely reduced ...

You think Hillary won't follow her husbands success rate?
... and she is more PRO military than Obama ...

We as Americans need the weapons to defend our own homes and property.
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As we all know the issue of guns on this forum are rather heated but I want to try a different approach here.

How do you all define reasonable restrictions of firearms? Or conversely why do you feel there should be zero restrictions on firearms. If you are in the middle please explain.
For me, I see there to be a use for guns and support a high regulation (meaning, knowing who has what). I see there to be absolutely no need or constructive purpose of individuals privately owning automatic assult rifles other such extremely powerful weapons. As far as handguns and rifles and shotguns, I fully support the need to have forms and background checks on them, I also think that old fashioned collectible guns are perfectly fine (like old civil war guns and such).
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For me, I see there to be a use for guns and support a high regulation (meaning, knowing who has what). I see there to be absolutely no need or constructive purpose of individuals privately owning automatic assult rifles other such extremely powerful weapons. As far as handguns and rifles and shotguns, I fully support the need to have forms and background checks on them, I also think that old fashioned collectible guns are perfectly fine (like old civil war guns and such).
You do know that even a felon in many (if not all) states can own Black Powder rifles

... also - what is called High Powered is NOT that high of a power compared to newer technology.
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You do know that even a felon in many (if not all) states can own Black Powder rifles
I believe that is because black powder rifles are considered to be only collectibles, since their fire rate, distance, and accuracy are very pathetic in comparison to more modern weapons.

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... also - what is called High Powered is NOT that high of a power compared to newer technology.
I didn't mean 'High Powered' if it relates to a paticular definition, but more along the lines of explosives (like gernades, landmines, RPGs and what have you). Sorry that I was vague about it.
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As we all know the issue of guns on this forum are rather heated but I want to try a different approach here.

How do you all define reasonable restrictions of firearms? Or conversely why do you feel there should be zero restrictions on firearms. If you are in the middle please explain.
As long as the second amendment to the Constitution remains in force, there are no reasonable restrictions.

There is nothing to discuss until the gun haters succeed in getting the amendment repealed.
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As long as the second amendment to the Constitution remains in force, there are no reasonable restrictions.

There is nothing to discuss until the gun haters succeed in getting the amendment repealed.
I don't think that it is fair to label them as "gun haters" just because they don't support absolute free gun use by anyone and everyone.
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I don't think that it is fair to label them as "gun haters" just because they don't support absolute free gun use by anyone and everyone.
But their mantra is always that guns do this and guns do that when it really isn't the guns that do it - they really do have this seriously perverted animosity toward guns. Guns don't kill; people kill.

Guns are mere inanimate objects and it's just plain stupid to ban inanimate objects.

Again, until such time as these people (these gun-haters) succeed in repealing the second amendment there is no reasonable restriction on gun use.
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But their mantra is always that guns do this and guns do that when it really isn't the guns that do it - they really do have this seriously perverted animosity toward guns. Guns don't kill; people kill.

Guns are mere inanimate objects and it's just plain stupid to ban inanimate objects.

Again, until such time as these people (these gun-haters) succeed in repealing the second amendment there is no reasonable restriction on gun use.
I don't hate guns, but I'd support the removal for the 2nd amendment (because that is really the only legitiment course of action for any restrictions). I recognize that guns are no more than a tool, but so is a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't mean that anyone should be allowed to have one, I wouldn't (and I'd like to think that everyone would agree with me) support the KKK getting ahold of a nuclear bomb, even though it is just a tool. Certian tools should be restricted because of what they can do in the wrong hands.

The thing with guns don't kill people, people kill people. Is that in many cases it takes the combination of person A and a gun combined, and since we can't always find and remove person A, we go after takeing the gun from them.
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Reasonable restrictions:

1. No access allowed to convicted felons.
2. No access allowed to mentally unfit peoples.

That's it.
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