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Old 04-28-2008, 06:34 PM
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Joe, stop twisting my words. I said that everybody is potentially racist, including you and I. I am not a practicing racist, and I actively at work on my issues, contrary to others. If you continue to insult my intelligence and my positions, I will report you, again.
The reason and only reason I agree with Wright is that he speaks "truth"...he is a man of God, how could he not, and expect folks to follow him?
You, obviously, did not watch the video of him speaking at the event (available at the link I provided). The man is far from ignorant. He spoke the truth, and he was clever and humorous. The audience responded by giving him a standing ovation. I guess from your inference you're also impuning the people attending the NAACP dinner rally, as well, as ignorant, and race mongers.
I'm sure if they knew of you, as I do, they would laugh, like me.
No, you did not. There was no "potentially", when we debated it. You said that way before you ever said potentially, which was just recently. If you insist I will go get the quotes to prove it. You argued everyone WAS racist to an extent. Report me all you want. It means nothing because I am not lying. I am going back on what YOU said.

Racism is ignorance. Therefore anyone that is racist is ignorant to an extent.
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IMHO white people who pretend black racist groups, like this one, are of any significance to race relations are racists themselves.
Didn't look like a "pretend black racist group" to me. I am sure the girl in the video would tell you that they were very much real. They are the very cause of the racial tension in the video.

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Old 04-28-2008, 07:42 PM
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Racism is ignorance. Therefore anyone that is racist is ignorant to an extent.
I'm not sure about that. That implies that there is something a racist has to learn, which is vaguely condescending.

Considering racism has to be taught (some studies indicate that left on their own, children give little thought to racial differences), racists are probably not ignorant.

Many of the racists on this forum seem very well educated and knowledgeable, even citing scholarly sources to back their opinions.

(I also have semantic issues with the use of the term "tolerance", but that's another topic)
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I'm not sure about that. That implies that there is something a racist has to learn, which is vaguely condescending.

Considering racism has to be taught (some studies indicate that left on their own, children give little thought to racial differences), racists are probably not ignorant.

Many of the racists on this forum seem very well educated and knowledgeable, even citing scholarly sources to back their opinions.

(I also have semantic issues with the use of the term "tolerance", but that's another topic)
We learn from our parents and from what our parents allowed us to be exposed to. The responsiblilty mainly lies with them, since they have a major role in helping us develop our morals and values. That is a given, unless you expect the state to do our jobs for us. But since racism comes in all shapes and sizes, it is easy to have differing views on what would be considered racist. Many people think that a racist joke is just that, a joke. They fail to see the damage it causes by continuing the cycle. Where do you start? The children seem to be the answer.

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The children are partially the answer, but we've only said that for about 10 generations, now, haven't we?

I place a lot of the blame on tit-for-tat strategies of well-meaning, but ultimately heavy-handed policymaking, that tries to "make up for" history overnight.

Think of it this way: in a relatively short period of time, white males have had almost everything they've been taught turned on its head. Suddenly women are in the workplace, competing for jobs that used to be thought of as male. Other languages than English are getting traction in legislatures. Etc.

They've kind of had the rug pulled out from under them, and now what their Grandpa told them is now considered "wrong". I understand when I think how this becomes very threatening. Bigotry, homophobia, sexism, racism is very much a defensive point of view, as well. Many don't see this as elevating other people - they see it as lowering THEM. And nobody likes to be told what they "have" to think.

I'm NOT saying that minorities should shut up and quit trying to make changes. But, I think the relative speed and perhaps the tactics can certainly be seen as an attack of "traditional" values, and maybe the adjustments are simply too much, too fast, too soon for many people.

Just a slightly different take.

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No, you did not. There was no "potentially", when we debated it. You said that way before you ever said potentially, which was just recently. If you insist I will go get the quotes to prove it. You argued everyone WAS racist to an extent. Report me all you want. It means nothing because I am not lying. I am going back on what YOU said.

Racism is ignorance. Therefore anyone that is racist is ignorant to an extent.
OK, once again, it's senseless to have discourse with you, because of your need to be right. Most of the time, you make no sense...just like now.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:44 AM
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I'm not sure about that. That implies that there is something a racist has to learn, which is vaguely condescending.

Considering racism has to be taught (some studies indicate that left on their own, children give little thought to racial differences), racists are probably not ignorant.

Many of the racists on this forum seem very well educated and knowledgeable, even citing scholarly sources to back their opinions.

(I also have semantic issues with the use of the term "tolerance", but that's another topic)
Believing something false is still ignorance. They can be very educated in many things, but yet they are still ignorant on the matter of race.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:47 AM
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OK, once again, it's senseless to have discourse with you, because of your need to be right. Most of the time, you make no sense...just like now.
What was non-nonsensical in that? I know what you have said. You argued that racism is inherent and that everyone is a racist. Which means you admitted you are a racist, unless you somehow do not consider yourself to be part of everyone. It is simple.
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Didn't look like a "pretend black racist group" to me. I am sure the girl in the video would tell you that they were very much real. They are the very cause of the racial tension in the video.
Reading comprehension. Go back to school for some.

I said IMHO white people who pretend black racist groups, like this one, are of any significance to race relations are racists themselves.

That means the white people are pretending.
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Reading comprehension. Go back to school for some.
Cheap shot, again. I have had enough formal schooling in my lifetime. What was there not to comprehend? I understood exactly what you meant.

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I said IMHO white people who pretend black racist groups, like this one, are of any significance to race relations are racists themselves.

That means the white people are pretending.
You are white, so where does that leave you? It means that YOU are pretending as well.
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