Should scottland be granted independance from Britain or not? Even if you don't know about the issue at first hand arguments based on principle are more than welcome.

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It's a strange one to me, i dont want independance for independance sake. I personally count myself closer to a working class Englishman or Welshman or whatever nationallity than a rich scot. So i'm quite happy to be a part of Britain, but im not happy at how Britain is run, it's history, monarchy etc. But independance wouldnt change any of those things. The SNP plan to keep the monarchy, we'll still be capitalists and our history will still be the same because it was the scots that have done much of the killing under the tag British. The situation when i would be for independance would be if we were to be a socialist country that tried to act as a springboard for revolution. Basically i would only want to be independant until the English, Irish or whoever wanted to join us again, but under a new socialist framework.

Edit: i dont know where that leaves me in terms of the poll, my answer is all ifs, buts and maybes. I like that you have the option to put it to a British referendum - i said that once and got slaughtered for the suggestion that anyone but the Scots should have a say, but the decision does effect the rest of Britain so perhaps everyone should ought to have a say, should a referendum be called.

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They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

Yes, I think ultimately everyone should get a choice, Scotland leaving affects all of Britain.

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Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

I think if the scots want to be free, let them, it would be better me thinkif they were, govermetn closer to the people.

but its up to them

Absolutely! I'm in favor of any ethnic group that wants independence having independence. However, I think the United States should not interfere in the internal affairs of other nations; so, the United States should not get involved.

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Correct. The U.S. should not get involved!!!
I definitely don't want the U.S. to get involved in any way, but for the purposes of this forum I want anyone to show an opinion, not just Britains. Just out of interest what do you think of the history of oppression of the native peoples in America?

phewwww, I get scared whenever someone says U.S. involvement.

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The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union.
Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

Yes, that's another argument though, for decentralisation of the whole of Britain away from London. For example where regions like the midlands are well represented in London the North is largely ignored, but this is just within England.

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Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

I think that the way the U. S. treated the indigenous populations is typical of Western "Civilization's" arrogance (believing itself to be superior to all other civilizations). I think the way it should have been handled was to simply assimilate these conquered peoples into American society.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Is that not also typical of western arrogance. Why should they have to be assimilated into American society? I think Americans, and I admit Europeans before them, should've let them keep their lands and way of life as long as they wanted it. If they want to be assimilated then fine, if not leave them the hell alone, it's their life and they should be able to live it how they want.

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Trust me, I'm a socialist!

There's power in a factory,power in the land, power in the hand of the worker. But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand, there is power in a union.
The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union.
Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

The difference between the two is the basis for the action. Assimilation considers the conquered peoples worthy of being part of American society and not as inferior creatures against whom the cruelty of what the United States actually did is "justified" by these indigenous tribes not being human.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."