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View Poll Results: Should Scotland be Granted Independance?
Yes. Make them free now. 1 8.33%
Put it to a referendum of the Scottish. 7 58.33%
Put it to a referendum of all Britain. 2 16.67%
Leave things as they are. 2 16.67%
No. Stop all devolution and make Scotland a county. 0 0%
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:43 PM
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Aye, yirinnathole ritedeep uptiyirgiblets inoo Shug. Yibetterhopit ezina good mood wenicomesin.

Reverting back to English forthwith...
lmao classic, , every non Scot is going to be bamboozled trying to crack the code
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:55 PM
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lmao classic, , every non Scot is going to be bamboozled trying to crack the code
Yes you are up to your giblets in a deep hole (shug?). You better hope he's in a good mood when he comes in.

Not a bad effort I hope.
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Yes you are up to your giblets in a deep hole (shug?). You better hope he's in a good mood when he comes in.

Not a bad effort I hope.
You sure your not Scottish
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Old 12-19-2007, 02:38 PM
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You sure your not Scottish
Pretty certain, though I did used to live way up north but that was before the turn of the century. Don't really remember much.
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Pretty certain, though I did used to live way up north but that was before the turn of the century. Don't really remember much.
lucky you getting to leave the hell hole ! I'm definately getting some backlash for calling it that lol
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lucky you getting to leave the hell hole ! I'm definately getting some backlash for calling it that lol
I can't really remember it much so i can't really argue, but my parents liked it and I do remember that it was very beautiful.
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"Worthy"? Are you pulling my leg? In what world, in what reasonable person's mind are the native Americans not worthy of being part of your culture? What you are saying is that native Americans are not "worthy" of keeping their own culture and lands. The idea that they must conform to American society and values is insulting.
Don't presume to tell me what I'm saying. You may ask me what I'm saying but don't presume to tell me. Now, take a closer look at what I wrote:

The difference between the two is the basis for the action. Assimilation considers the conquered peoples worthy of being part of American society and not as inferior creatures against whom the cruelty of what the United States actually did is "justified" by these indigenous tribes not being human.

Many societies resist allowing outsiders become part of those societies - mainly out of concern for corrupting that society genetically, culturally, etc. Such concerns are entirely valid as each society has the right to dictate who can or cannot be part of it. However, that's not what I'm referring to here. In this case, I'm contrasting assimilation with how indigenous peoples were treated by the United States and argued in favor of assimilation because it elevates indigenous peoples to a level equal to that of the society into which they would be assimilated whereas what the United States actually did is based on a view that indigenous peoples were inferior.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:16 PM
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Whoa, careful now! Chookie will be on later and he is both a fervent nationalist and a cheucter from up North
Well Viv, I'm here, you weren't quite right when said I was a fervent nationalist - left out the republican (and socialist)bits - and you still can't spell - it's teuchter.

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And what you are saying relates to your being a city boy.
It's not his fault that he's a Weegie but..........

3) Now let's turn to Levi's post and the questions he used:-

1) Yes. Make them free now. - It's not up to you. We Scots will decide

2) Put it to a referendum of the Scottish. - Don't disagree


3) Put it to a referendum of all Britain. - Don't disagree


4) Leave things as they are. - How? "things" are changing every day. The Status Quo is never static.


5) No. Stop all devolution and make Scotland a county. - Impossible. You could try, but you'd lose.

I'm with Viv on this, regaining control over our own country is the raison d'etre of Scottish Nationalism.

It cannot be said too often, but Scottish Nationalism is not racial in any way, shape or form. Scottish Nationalism is inclusive and civic, in contrast to, for example the events in Northern Ireland or Euzkal Herria.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:21 PM
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Well Viv, I'm here, you weren't quite right when said I was a fervent nationalist - left out the republican (and socialist)bits - and you still can't spell - it's teuchter.



It's not his fault that he's a Weegie but..........

3) Now let's turn to Levi's post and the questions he used:-

1) Yes. Make them free now. - It's not up to you. We Scots will decide

2) Put it to a referendum of the Scottish. - Don't disagree


3) Put it to a referendum of all Britain. - Don't disagree


4) Leave things as they are. - How? "things" are changing every day. The Status Quo is never static.


5) No. Stop all devolution and make Scotland a county. - Impossible. You could try, but you'd lose.

I'm with Viv on this, regaining control over our own country is the raison d'etre of Scottish Nationalism.

It cannot be said too often, but Scottish Nationalism is not racial in any way, shape or form. Scottish Nationalism is inclusive and civic, in contrast to, for example the events in Northern Ireland or Euzkal Herria.
Man...it's choochter...

I'm gonny hifty look at up noo...oops, I meant now I shall have to research the acceptable spelling of that word.

The word in question, btw, means " a person from the Highlands of Scotland".
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