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What does everyone think about eugenics? I personally think it's one of the worst parts of man kind and can lead to some very troublesome societys such as NAZI Germany. although in modern times thinks like gene removal, and stuff is a problem as well for groups like people with down syndrome.
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and can lead to some very troublesome societys such as NAZI Germany.
What do you mean by that, Dustin?
Euginics came to Germany from America actually.

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Was Nazi eugenics created in the US?

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War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create A Master Race by Edwin Black
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The Eugenics Movement in the U.S.

Many people are unaware that Hitler's extermination policies began with the large-scale elimination of people with disabilities. Proponents of physician- assisted suicide are offended when allusions are made to this piece of disability history in the course of debate over the so-called "right to die". The fact is that Hitler stole most of his ideas on eugenics from publications originating in the USA.

Popularity of eugenics and social Darwinism continued in the USA during WWII. In 1942, the American Journal of Psychiatry published a "debate" on the ethics of killing children with severe disabilities. The following was written by Foster Kennedy:

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The one article from not-dead-yet seems to confuse euthanasia (active non-voluntary) with Eugenics. I generally support the work of Philosopher Peter Singer, and they are somewhat misrepresenting what he says, taking it out of context to make him seem like an evil, old school eugenics proponent, which he isn't.

On that note, I do support neo-liberal eugenics, which is considerably different from the old school version.
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The purpose of eugenics is to create what we would call a "perfect society". If humans are naturally imperfect and inherently succeptible to flaw eugenics seems not only infinitely futile but also contradictary to human nature.

Moreover if making mistakes or being different from the norm is how we as humans learn, then creating a race of superbeings without flaw would inhibit a human's inability to learn. Therefore even if we created such a race, it would be doomed to fail due to a lack of progress.
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yea all of mankind's greatest achievements were unplanned.

Although it would be interesting to see if there were a way to in controlled circumstances to take strong parts of mankind and condence them in to everyone but all eugenics have been forced eugenics that i know of. and well it goes without saying that is completly wrong

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What does everyone think about eugenics? I personally think it's one of the worst parts of man kind and can lead to some very troublesome societys such as NAZI Germany. although in modern times thinks like gene removal, and stuff is a problem as well for groups like people with down syndrome.
The Nazis didn't actually engage in eugenics.

FYI, the biggest pro-eugenics movements in the 20th century were in USA and Britain.
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yea all of mankind's greatest achievements were unplanned.

Although it would be interesting to see if there were a way to in controlled circumstances to take strong parts of mankind and condence them in to everyone but all eugenics have been forced eugenics that i know of. and well it goes without saying that is completly wrong

massive thought explosion on this subject sorry if this is chaotic and contridictory
Plus, I like the way I am. Improvement should be self motivated otherwise we never really appreciate the new abilities and rewards those great achievements give us.
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