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Old 12-08-2007, 06:53 PM
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If so, why not give them a trial, if you know it then there shouldnt be a problem
True we do need to give them a trial. A millitary one followed by a release if found to be good or a firing squad or a hanging if found other wise.
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A military one why? are they prisoners of war or something?
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Old 12-08-2007, 07:02 PM
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A military one why? are they prisoners of war or something?
Yes they are. If they are enemy taken from Iraq they are.
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Old 12-08-2007, 07:28 PM
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As long as they are within the terms of the Geneva Convention as far as there treatment then well what can you do? War is hell, and prisoners of war fall into a different set of rules. I do not however agree with all of their practices and procedures all of the time.
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if they were pow, redcross/moon would be down there given out aid.

and from what I know then aint some of them from afganitain
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Are who from Afghanistan? The PoW's or people from Red Cross? There are checks and balances in place for PoW's but they do not get refuge treatment while they are being held as PoW's that would be rather counter productive if that where the case.
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both wars have ended, are you going to keep them in cuba for ever
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The Supreme Court is currently hearing arguments regarding Guantanamo Bay prisoners some who have been held for 6 years without being charged or tried. Some believe they should be tried by the rules of the Geneva Convention, but as no war has been declared, the rules do not apply.
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Yes they are. If they are enemy taken from Iraq they are.
They are not prisoners of war when it suits the US, then.

And no war has been declared...how can that possibly make sense? What was Iraq?

Guantanamo is a complete embarrassment on many fronts. The US has no right to be in Cuba. It has no right to keep those prisoners until it proves wrongdoing. It has absolutely no right to deprive them of access to a justice system and no right to ignore international human rights. Torturing them makes the US lower than any other people, because the US knows better than that and is supposed to be the leader of the free world, setting an example and encouraging other less responsible countries to behave humanely. How can it look China in the eye and ask for human rights to be exercised when it retains Gitmo?

That said, there have been no succesful terrorist attacks on the US since 9/11. This may or may not be an excuse/reason to retain Guantanamo.

If it were my government, I would be within my rights to protest in the street about the treatment of these prisoners.
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The Supreme Court is currently hearing arguments regarding Guantanamo Bay prisoners some who have been held for 6 years without being charged or tried. Some believe they should be tried by the rules of the Geneva Convention, but as no war has been declared, the rules do not apply.
Should they be brought to the US for trial ? Should they close GITMO ?

GITMO was formed from a 1903 lease and later was coverted to a permanent lease, but Castro has never acknowledge it legality and never has cashed any lease payment checks ($4000/yr). Instead he cut off all water in 1964 and Guantanamo has been self sufficient ever since. It isn't technically US soil, not Cuba. It's a real no man's land.

So, should they be tried in the US or under Geneva Convention law ?
Should they close GITMO ?
As many have sat there 6 years awaiting to be charged or release, what should be done with them ?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3867067.stm

The overall ruling of the court was: "United States courts have jurisdiction to consider challenges to the legality of the detention of foreign nationals captured abroad in connection with hostilities and incarcerated at Guantanamo Bay."

The court then described how this should happen. It accepted the argument from lawyers from the Center for Constitutional Rights that the Federal District Court in Washington DC (to which the case was first brought) does have jurisdiction to hear the prisoners' petition, under the "habeas corpus" law, that they are held "in custody in violation of the Constitution or laws or treaties of the United States."
They are classified as prisoners of war or enemy combatants: the Geneva Convention applies. Of course, one could argue the constitutionality of detaining these foreign nationals in the first place. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I thought since no war was declared, that they do not fall under the Geneva Convention? Or more that since they are part of no nationality.
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