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Old 12-03-2007, 12:26 PM
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In that case we need to look deeper into the situation. When growing up we took pot shots at each other that were cruel. They were unjustifiable and wrong, but kids are cruel. So, when a young person goes home and takes their life over one comment, I think we should look deeper to a possible history of verbal abuse either at school or home.
Chronic bullying is rampant today ( a symptom of other societal ills) and it's usually the more sensitive kids that get targeted. Every suicide involving teenagers typically reveal long term abuse that has been ignored or covered up.
I hated being a teenager. My intellect was ahead of my peers, but socially I was shy and occasionally I got hammered for it. Thankfully, I had great parents that always helped me keep things on the level and in perspective. Sadly, many kids don't have that at home.
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In that case we need to look deeper into the situation. When growing up we took pot shots at each other that were cruel. They were unjustifiable and wrong, but kids are cruel. So, when a young person goes home and takes their life over one comment, I think we should look deeper to a possible history of verbal abuse either at school or home.
Chronic bullying is rampant today ( a symptom of other societal ills) and it's usually the more sensitive kids that get targeted. Every suicide involving teenagers typically reveal long term abuse that has been ignored or covered up.
I hated being a teenager. My intellect was ahead of my peers, but socially I was shy and occasionally I got hammered for it. Thankfully, I had great parents that always helped me keep things on the level and in perspective. Sadly, many kids don't have that at home.

you just nailed it on the head. what kids need are good parents. ones that support them and listen to them when there is a problem either at school or home. i didn't really like being a teen either because i wasn't very strong phisicly so i was the one they piced on for it. i was lucky to have a great family. a little brother that was about twice my size and a mother and father that listen when things where bad. when i become a parent i plan to do all i can to make sure that my kids know that they are worth something in this world.
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Old 12-03-2007, 09:34 PM
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You know as an interesting side note, some philosophers think the only question in life that matters is wheter or not we should commit suicide.

Interesting thought.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:07 PM
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Alright, based on every study, I should be dead long ago.

I was picked on massively when I first went to school. I was homeschooled until second half of 7th grade. Odd, I know, but it gets worse. I was and am two years younger than my peers. So, massive harassment followed.
Luckily, I transfered to a private school, Moeller, an all-boys school (no, not gay), and it's great. It's a sports school, sure, but it's great, and I could go on forever. But the important thing is now I'm accepted.

But, at my junior high and high school before the switch, it was horrible. I got physically attacked very often, because I got good grades, and jocks didn't like me, because I wouldn't help them cheat. And I got so much crap from everyone, wasn't even accepted by the nerds. And if I said I didn't care, I would be a liar. It hurt really bad. Still does. I've actually had thoughts, but I'm too afraid of being dead. Not dying, but being dead.

But I'm smarter than suicide.

The moral of the story is, suicide is overrated.

And how are they going to stop you from suicide, anyway? "People who commit suicide will be prosecuted"?
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Yeah Steve, I can see it now, All bodies will receive 40 lashes before being buried in unconsecrated ground !
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Alright, based on every study, I should be dead long ago.

I was picked on massively when I first went to school. I was homeschooled until second half of 7th grade. Odd, I know, but it gets worse. I was and am two years younger than my peers. So, massive harassment followed.
Luckily, I transfered to a private school, Moeller, an all-boys school (no, not gay), and it's great. It's a sports school, sure, but it's great, and I could go on forever. But the important thing is now I'm accepted.

But, at my junior high and high school before the switch, it was horrible. I got physically attacked very often, because I got good grades, and jocks didn't like me, because I wouldn't help them cheat. And I got so much crap from everyone, wasn't even accepted by the nerds. And if I said I didn't care, I would be a liar. It hurt really bad. Still does. I've actually had thoughts, but I'm too afraid of being dead. Not dying, but being dead.

But I'm smarter than suicide.

The moral of the story is, suicide is overrated.

And how are they going to stop you from suicide, anyway? "People who commit suicide will be prosecuted"?
I've heard of Moeller ...grew up in and near Cincy.
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I've had social rejection all my life but that never really has made me want to kill myself as I do believe it is a cop out and like you steve, I'm uncertain what would happen in death.
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:09 AM
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Way to be, Steve.

I could never off myself...I don't want to die yet.

On the topic of legality, unassisted suicide should be allowed, if simply under the rationale of "How could you punish the offender?" Assisted suicide...I'm personally against it because then you're killing with consent.
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:27 AM
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I have been on the virge of suicide several times, came every close onces, was saved at the lest minut before I could do anything about it, boring stories so I will spar you.

Same story as every one life goes up and down and when ones mind goes the same way, bad things can happen
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:42 AM
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While I see your point Lumara, isn't it a bit selfish to say that that person HAS to stay and suffer just so others will be happy. It is THEIR life and if they are not pyshically hurting someone, then an emotional bond is not enough to call an act "selfish".

Are you talking euthanasia for the terminally ill? I think I agree with that...suicide is the ultimate act of despair, IMHO....euthanasia is the action of the person taking over the inevitability of their end of life..
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