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Civil Liberties and Civil Rights Discuss Civil Liberties and Civil rights here. Also discuss discrimination against minority groups as well, and ways to solve these issues.

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Old 02-05-2008, 05:16 PM
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If you are saying to do this with all people indicted for a violent felony, you would have probably cause for your actions. In fact, they have been taking DNA samples, and it has helped enormously in tracking down serial killers.

If you are talking about everyone in the United States, that is what you call OVERKILL. It would cost hundreds of billions of dollars, and someone in government needs to get a clue that the only way we are going to get out of debt is - D'Oh!- QUIT SPENDING!!!!!!

Its another Bush regime way to build up gargantuan government and increase out of control reckless spending.
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:29 PM
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The only reason the FBI should keep anyone's biometric information on file is if the person has been convicted of a major felony.

Unfortunately, they don't have to force us to give our prints up. They'll just "encourage" corporations to take fingerprints and iris scans, and provide benefits (read: tax breaks) to companies that give them this information. If an FBI agent tried to force me to give him my prints I'd be ready and willing to resist, either through civil disobedience or, if necessary, violence. But what can you do when every job above the Walmart cashier level requires fingerprints?

Looks like another reason to move to Denmark. At least they aren't fascist yet.
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Old 02-05-2008, 07:02 PM
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We have to get rid of the tax favoring BS.
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This is more along the lines of Facism, total social control.
Which is why I'm opposed to it for anyone but felons. I agree with Chan that it will expand to include others.
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Old 02-06-2008, 12:29 PM
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Which is why I'm opposed to it for anyone but felons. I agree with Chan that it will expand to include others.
Give the government an inch and it will take a mile (or, if you prefer, a couple of kilometers).
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Old 02-06-2008, 01:12 PM
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You could write a bill to use very restrictive language. Legally that would prevent using this on everyone.

However, I am extremely unimpressed with the goon squads simply setting up secret rooms at phone company main grid and routing in ALL phone calls and email communication without restriction. There is no oversight.

Before anything more in this direction is approved oversight absolutely must be established. That probably means a concrete guarantee of FISA Court and Legislative Branch oversight and anything short of that would be an impeachable offense.
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