Race relations. - Page 3 - Political Fever

xjoe3x · #21 (**permalink**) 02-05-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Once again...a would-be Lancelot, rescuing a maid Guinevere.
Why do you feel the need to defend, otherwise "grown-*** men"???
You call me a name, in public, and I'm kicking your ***. Point.
Common sense would dictate, you keep your mouth closed, if you don't have something nice to say...your premise is wrong...you think that you can say anything without consequence...I'm saying, I might go to jail, but is it worth it, when you are in a hospital bed or worse, because your mind couldn't control your tongue? Some people just have to be right...even if it means their lives.

I am not defending him, I am stating that you are wrong.

You are infringing on their liberties if you are. You should and will go to jail unless you run. The freedom of speech would dictate that people have the right to express themselves even if it offends you. A person should be able to restrain themselves from hitting others over words, common sense should dictate that. Call them names back if you really need to, but you are in the wrong if you injure them. If you are willing to accept jail time and a record for beating people up, then go right ahead. If you put someone in a hospital bed they will sue you take your money and put you in jail. And they will be in the right.

aaronssongs · #22 (**permalink**) 02-05-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xjoe3x

I am not defending him, I am stating that you are wrong.

You are infringing on their liberties if you are. You should and will go to jail unless you run. The freedom of speech would dictate that people have the right to express themselves even if it offends you. A person should be able to restrain themselves from hitting others over words, common sense should dictate that. Call them names back if you really need to, but you are in the wrong if you injure them. If you are willing to accept jail time and a record for beating people up, then go right ahead. If you put someone in a hospital bed they will sue you take your money and put you in jail. And they will be in the right.

Perhaps....but your *** will be in a sling...and you have to ask yourself, was it worth it? If someone calls me the "n' word...most times, I would ignore it...but if I've had a bad day, and you just plucked my last nerve..then you might wind up severely injured. And it might not be me..you have to be careful what you say to anyone...somebody might just be over the edge...and because of your belief in freedom of speech and really your desire to inflame...you could wind up dead....why is it, that you are not advocating control of one's tongue, especially making insults and slinging epithets, and you would choose to insist that I, and others simply ignore insults...somehow, that doesn't make any sense to me. Again, not willing to bear any responsibility for what you say...yet you want me to be responsible for what I do...one definition of insanity.
And the rest of y'all don't leave me flappin' in the breeze by myself...weigh in on this...I'm starting to think I'm crazy one.

xjoe3x · #23 (**permalink**) 02-05-2008, 08:22 PM

I cherish the bill of rights and the freedom of speech. I do not desire to inflame. I support peoples right to do so though. However when you beat someone up you are in the wrong. Unless it is self defense or some other extreme circumstances. Insults do not infringe upon your rights. People have the rights to express themselves, just as you and I do. Feel free to insult them back, just do not lay a hand on them. It is not insanity, it is not even close. People have the right to free speech and the right to life. No one has the right to take them away. A word is not going to kill you, getting beat up might.

Freeman15 · #24 (**permalink**) 02-05-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Once again, promoting your world view that the only good black is one that is locked up...why didn't you use the reference to white gangs...the Aryan brotherhood? We all know the answer to that one, don't we?

I didn't even mention blacks in prison, where do you buy your pot? I didn't use the Aryan Brotherhood because the last documentary I saw concerning gangs concerned the "nortenos", or the counter-gang to the Mexican Mafia or "sorenos". Why did the Aryan Brotherhood first come to YOUR mind? Am I to assume that because of my race I am not allowed to discuss hispanic gangs? Your sense of liberty is paler than my skin.

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For someone 21 years of age...you surprisingly have no tact, no grace, and no respect for others...you must have had one mo' childhood. Sad.

You're the one fighting half of the board on any given day, and who takes bitter umbrage with anybody who dares disagree with you on any issue, so your condemnation is well, kind of funny actually. You're acting like a nine year-old, and I think I'm going to be the bigger man and get back on topic with those interested in discussing it like ADULTS. When you get tired of being petty and belligerent, feel free to join the rest of us in the realm of civility. Mkay sport? Great.

GeneCosta · #25 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Freeman15

Dear God I hate how liberal academia has destroyed pragmatic thought in my generation. As a political science major who put up with 3 years (gotta love testing for credit) of this crap, I feel inclined to share with you all a little bit of insight concerning the "social-construct" of race.

As Viv pointed out, it matters not how it came to be, race is and important factor within the workings of a society, especially one as heterogeneous as the United States. As defined by Dictionary.com, race is more than skin color and can (as has happened here) come to encompass elements of culture and common heritage. For example:

Yes, the earliest known human skeleton was found in Africa, and so absent other evidence it appears as though ALL humans are descended from the same forefathers. HOWEVER, given the thousands of years of migration, evolution (of say, differing skin colors, heights, eye colors, etc), and cultural development (Look at European Civilization versus Asian), humans have developed into specific sub-groups, and we call these races, NOT ethnicities (Korean, French, Arab, these are ethnicities).

Now, understand that humans are pack animals, we don't (some argue can't on a psychological level) operate well alone. We seek those similar to us in a myriad of ways, be they race, talents, interests, or intellect. This is NORMAL BEHAVIOR, ingrained in us by thousands of years of human development. Why? Because functional societies are historically more homogeneous than heterogeneous concerning these factors, and thus HUMANITY, regardless of continent or race has come to accept sameness as 'good'.

Now look at America. In a country in which the individual in highly stressed (and of all people I will be the last to condemn this practice), and where no NATION exists (we are a state, a nation requires common culture and heritage, similar to race), race becomes a vital component of self-awareness. We seek belonging, and we have been BRED to instictively flock to that which is familiar, it is a SURVIVAL INSTINCT. Since the majority of us were born and raised by parents and families of similar races (a result of genetics), we tend to view the physical and cultural characteristics of our own race as more favorable than others, and see ourselves, while part of the STATE, as also part of a RACE.

That is not to say that familiarity begets racism, as socialization and interaction between peoples in a cosmopolitan country like ours has in a relatively short period of time brought about a society in which different people can live in harmony (VERY rare historically, given our instincts). Given a stressful or dangerous situation however, humans WILL revert to their instincts and head straight to that which is familiar. One need only look at the self-imposed segregation of prisoners in our correctional system to witness evidence of this.

Race and ethnicity are important factors in our lives, and should be a source of pride for all humans, as each race has definitely done some pretty amazing things compared to our primate ancestors. To claim the ivory-tower position that "race is a social construct and so you're a meanie ugly stupid-face" is assanine, and reflects the truly staggering nature of the diconnect between academic swill and the real world.

I have to disagree with your conclusion.

I think you're right in pointing out that isolation has affected socialization between different peoples; the great distances our first ancestors traveled created a bridge between people of different races.

However, at my own discretion I have to disagree with your conclusion about strained race relations being natural predicaments. Familiarization relies on the amount and acceptance of different people interacting. For example, from purely anecdotal experiences, I've never met a brunette who shies away from blond haired individuals.

A computer technician abstaining from a relationship with a prom princess is tied to the fact unfamiliar interests usually result in a dull relationship; physical differences that do not hinter ability have no relevance.

The maritime revolution and globalism have provided an organic means of interaction between people who would have otherwise never even known the other existed, whereas previously the grouping of different people was done forcefully through imperial conquest. As cities overtake rural life, communication technology improves, minorities come to acquire more wealth, and stone-hard geographical demographics disappear (America = white, Latin America = brown), so will racial relations change.

The prison system emphasizes the problems society still incurs; let's be realistic here and admit that people coming from poor-income families are most likely to be "admitted" into the prison system; they've already experienced racial isolationism all their lives.

aaronssongs · #26 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Freeman15

I didn't even mention blacks in prison, where do you buy your pot? I didn't use the Aryan Brotherhood because the last documentary I saw concerning gangs concerned the "nortenos", or the counter-gang to the Mexican Mafia or "sorenos". Why did the Aryan Brotherhood first come to YOUR mind? Am I to assume that because of my race I am not allowed to discuss hispanic gangs? Your sense of liberty is paler than my skin.

No.....you don't have to assume anything. It is so predictable that you would mention minorities before you would mention any white gangs...oops, you didn't mention any "white gangs", did you? Your bias is so clear, a blind man could see it. And you have the audacity to mention a "sense of liberty"....In fact...yes, because of your race and your clear racist points of view, you are not allowed to discuss any minorities, as one would have to be objective and impartial to do so.

You're the one fighting half of the board on any given day, and who takes bitter umbrage with anybody who dares disagree with you on any issue, so your condemnation is well, kind of funny actually. You're acting like a nine year-old, and I think I'm going to be the bigger man and get back on topic with those interested in discussing it like ADULTS. When you get tired of being petty and belligerent, feel free to join the rest of us in the realm of civility. Mkay sport? Great.

Excuse me, but who on this board am I fighting with, other than you, Chan and Xjoe, and the infamous FX? The board consist of more than 3 or 4 members, Freeman. And you know what the 3 or 4 of you have in common? You're all extremists. You're all out of the "mainstream". You're atypical. And don't get it confused...those aren't "personal attacks"...they're logical conclusions drawn upon your own words.
And I don't have one bit of "umbrage" (as you put it) with anyone that disagrees with me. I can live with disagreement. What I can't live with is folks wanting me to capitulate in deference to them, as if their position is the "correct" one. I will not capitulate...because opinions are as perennial as rectums, and one does not take precedence over another. Psych!
I'm glad you find me amusing...unfortunately, what I find in you, you'd consider "umbrage"....so, think of the worst...and you'd be close.
And your 'dream" of "discussing topics" as "an adult" would be "deferred"....you won't be an adult for quite some time, and, hopefully, in that time you would learn some humility and respect for those who have been on this Earth longer than you....lack of home training, I would surmise.
Petty? Belligerent? Join the realm of civility? My, my, my, .....in Conflicting Views those would have been "banning words"....but you did have a inside hookup over there, didn't you? Try following your own advice.

aaronssongs · #27 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GeneCosta

I have to disagree with your conclusion.

I think you're right in pointing out that isolation has affected socialization between different peoples; the great distances our first ancestors traveled created a bridge between people of different races.

However, at my own discretion I have to disagree with your conclusion about strained race relations being natural predicaments. Familiarization relies on the amount and acceptance of different people interacting. For example, from purely anecdotal experiences, I've never met a brunette who shies away from blond haired individuals.

A computer technician abstaining from a relationship with a prom princess is tied to the fact unfamiliar interests usually result in a dull relationship; physical differences that do not hinter ability have no relevance.

The maritime revolution and globalism have provided an organic means of interaction between people who would have otherwise never even known the other existed, whereas previously the grouping of different people was done forcefully through imperial conquest. As cities overtake rural life, communication technology improves, minorities come to acquire more wealth, and stone-hard geographical demographics disappear (America = white, Latin America = brown), so will racial relations change.

The prison system emphasizes the problems society still incurs; let's be realistic here and admit that people coming from poor-income families are most likely to be "admitted" into the prison system; they've already experienced racial isolationism all their lives.

GeneCosta,
Thank you for your fair-minded and level-headed assessment.

You wrote: "The prison system emphasizes the problems society still incurs; let's be realistic here and admit that people coming from poor-income families are most likely to be "admitted" into the prison system; they've already experienced racial isolationism all their lives"

Freeman wrote: "...Six kids beat up one kid to the point of putting him in the hospital. The kid who got his *** kicked had nothing to do with the noose-hanging incident, and ACCORDING TO THE ACCUSED had levied racial epithets. At least two of the accused had histories of violence, and Robert Bailey had been in two other fights with white students THAT WEEK"

Mighty funny he mentioned the "histories of violence" that the black kids possessed...but no mention of the white kids criminal past...or perhaps, they were model citizens, much like their parents, who never did nothing to nobody at no time. Bull CaCa...no one investigated the background of the white kids, because of stereotypes...only black kids get into trouble... and all whites kids are "angels".

xjoe3x · #28 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aaronssongs

No.....you don't have to assume anything. It is so predictable that you would mention minorities before you would mention any white gangs...oops, you didn't mention any "white gangs", did you? Your bias is so clear, a blind man could see it. And you have the audacity to mention a "sense of liberty"....In fact...yes, because of your race and your clear racist points of view, you are not allowed to discuss any minorities, as one would have to be objective and impartial to do so.

Excuse me, but who on this board am I fighting with, other than you, Chan and Xjoe, and the infamous FX? The board consist of more than 3 or 4 members, Freeman. And you know what the 3 or 4 of you have in common? You're all extremists. You're all out of the "mainstream". You're atypical. And don't get it confused...those aren't "personal attacks"...they're logical conclusions drawn upon your own words.
And I don't have one bit of "umbrage" (as you put it) with anyone that disagrees with me. I can live with disagreement. What I can't live with is folks wanting me to capitulate in deference to them, as if their position is the "correct" one. I will not capitulate...because opinions are as perennial as rectums, and one does not take precedence over another. Psych!
I'm glad you find me amusing...unfortunately, what I find in you, you'd consider "umbrage"....so, think of the worst...and you'd be close.
And your 'dream" of "discussing topics" as "an adult" would be "deferred"....you won't be an adult for quite some time, and, hopefully, in that time you would learn some humility and respect for those who have been on this Earth longer than you....lack of home training, I would surmise.
Petty? Belligerent? Join the realm of civility? My, my, my, .....in Conflicting Views those would have been "banning words"....but you did have a inside hookup over there, didn't you? Try following your own advice.

He was saying prisons are largely segregated by race. Which they are. Their is not bias every race has there own prison section for the most part. He has stated nothing racist, make a real argument something better than calling the people that disagree with you a racist.

You asked me to spell your name right and I have, now I ask the same. Joe or xjoe3x please.

aaronssongs · #29 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xjoe3x

He was saying prisons are largely segregated by race. Which they are. Their is not bias every race has there own prison section for the most part. He has stated nothing racist, make a real argument something better than calling the people that disagree with you a racist.

You asked me to spell your name right and I have, now I ask the same. Joe or xjoe3x please.

Look, do me a favor and stop responding to my posts...you have nothing to say that interests me...you have said nothing that makes any sense to me. You don't even know which words to use...because "their" is not the same as "there". Get a dictionary, and learn to use it.
I know what he said...and I know what he meant...I don't need your "superior intellect" to refresh me. Stop interfering with other peoples post. He explained himself, quite nicely, without Cliff Notes from you, xjoe. Bug off.

Curmudgeon · #30 (**permalink**) 02-06-2008, 06:08 AM

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Bug off.

Hmm, is Aaron now a moderator?
As usual, if anyone disagrees with him, they need to "bug off", or stop responding to his posts.
Why not attack me, too, Aaron? Even though I am a quiet reader of posts and threads more than anything else.

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