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Old 02-02-2008, 08:53 PM
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This thread deals with child abuse in the Unites States, nevertheless I will comment on the U.K. incident.
The article does not mention any previous history of mental health issues. It is the court appointed psych that evaluated him, and with a somewhat convincing story, he evaded the murder charge. He convinced the psych that he did not remember what happened. Temporary insanity does not mean you have a history of mental health issues.

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John Hogan's statement though, coupled with evidence from his psychiatrist, was enough to convince the court that he was "incapable" of murdering his son because of his mental state.

He was there physically when he went over the balcony with his children, but not mentally, according to the specialist who appeared in court to defend him.


Definition of TEMPORARY INSANITY:
In criminal trials, the insanity defenses are possible defenses by excuse, by which defendants argue that they should not be held criminally liable for breaking the law, as they were legally insane at the time of the commission of alleged crimes. It is important to note that the legal definition of "insane" in this context is quite different from psychiatric definitions of "mentally ill", also that the definition of insanity varies between jurisdictions.

The name "insanity defense" is still in use in the United States, while Australia and Canada have renamed it the mental disorder defence, as Commonwealth nations tend to shy away from it, partially due to the stigma of the word "insanity"[citation needed]. When the insanity defense is successful, the defendant may be committed to hospital.

In the United Kingdom and the United States, use of the defense is rare and it is more common to rely upon a state of temporary mental impairment.

Insanity defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is another thread here about that case. He was not tried in the U.K, but in a Greek court. He has been committed to hospital for treatment of mental illness.
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The problem here in the United States is out of control. Child abuse comes in many different shapes and sizes. Child Protective Services here is now focusing on the unseen abuse, which has long lasting effects. It is emotional abuse, and it happens all the time.

Britney Spears is a perfect example of how some women use the "mental health" card in order to protect themselves from prosecution.
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:15 PM
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The problem here in the United States is out of control. Child abuse comes in many different shapes and sizes. Child Protective Services here is now focusing on the unseen abuse, which has long lasting effects. It is emotional abuse, and it happens all the time.

Britney Spears is a perfect example of how some women use the "mental health" card in order to protect themselves from prosecution.
As do some men.

Are you suggesting she is stable?
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:16 PM
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using the mental card is easay, most people just want to hide it
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As do some men.

Are you suggesting she is stable?
If you mean Britney Spears, her immediate problem is the drugs. No way for her to think clearly. Eliminate the drugs, and then you can have a better base to see what her real issues are. What she does affects her children. Not too cool.
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Old 02-02-2008, 09:27 PM
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If you mean Britney Spears, her immediate problem is the drugs. No way for her to think clearly. Eliminate the drugs, and then you can have a better base to see what her real issues are. What she does affects her children. Not too cool.
I understand no accurate assessment can be made on her state of mental health until after detox removes all trace of drugs and alcohol from her system.

It's definitely a little early to state that she's faking mental illness.
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What can one say about Child Abuse if its never been experienced?
Lets not forget that Child Abuse and Child Neglection is two different
issues. As a Child Protection Investigator the general public seems to
think that they are educated on the subject, but when the real deal
comes down most have committed Child Abuse, and on the other hand
the question should be asked what is Child Neglection?

We can't just say that Child Neglection is ignoring what a child wants
everytime it goes into the toy store, or when a child falls on the floor
of a supermarket because it wants some candy.....lets get real.
Child Neglection is when a parent is receiving aid money to support
a child, and the money is used by the parent to buy drugs, or go to
the casino, or spend money on self.

That's a realistic example of Child Neglection, but lets look at the
evil vision of Child Abuse, and I have seen some real cases that
would make the investigator want to do something bad to the parent
that's involved. Last week I received a call at home at 3am in the
morning to come to the scene of a Child Abuse case. Once I arrived
on the scene it trapped me out (regardless to my professional training).

A Mother's Boyfriend had killed the Mother by sticking a electric cord
up into the Mothers public area, and had tied a 5 year old girl in the
closet after raping her by the feet (upside down). After researching
the case we discovered that the Mother had been exchanging the
little girl for sexual pleasure, and this time the Mother said no which
lead to what happened.

To me Child Abuse is a serious crime regardless to the skin-color,
and next week I have a case in court where the Mother and the
Father beat a mentally retarded child to death because of the
fact that they could not accept the child being born mentally
deformed and retarded. Child Abuse is a evil and sinful crime,
due to the fact that the child did not ask to be born, and I feel
that anyone who abuses a Child should hang by the neck.

Again, I am sure that many of you have read or seen on the
tele a lie vision incidents like I just memntioned, but to really
see something like I just stated is sickening, and again if you
never seen something like this in reality. Talking about Child
Abuse, and experiencing Child Abuse is two different things.

There is many different forms of Child Abuse, and I suggest
for anyone to research all areas of Child Abuse before trying
to talk about it (especially if you never experienced it).
Also I suggest for parents not to Abuse their child(ren), and
if a Child is abused by a Teacher or someone else report it to
the local Child Protection agency.

That's my thoughts.

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What can one say about Child Abuse if its never been experienced?
Lets not forget that Child Abuse and Child Neglection is two different
issues. As a Child Protection Investigator the general public seems to
think that they are educated on the subject, but when the real deal
comes down most have committed Child Abuse, and on the other hand
the question should be asked what is Child Neglection?

We can't just say that Child Neglection is ignoring what a child wants
everytime it goes into the toy store, or when a child falls on the floor
of a supermarket because it wants some candy.....lets get real.
Child Neglection is when a parent is receiving aid money to support
a child, and the money is used by the parent to buy drugs, or go to
the casino, or spend money on self.

That's a realistic example of Child Neglection, but lets look at the
evil vision of Child Abuse, and I have seen some real cases that
would make the investigator want to do something bad to the parent
that's involved. Last week I received a call at home at 3am in the
morning to come to the scene of a Child Abuse case. Once I arrived
on the scene it trapped me out (regardless to my professional training).

A Mother's Boyfriend had killed the Mother by sticking a electric cord
up into the Mothers public area, and had tied a 5 year old girl in the
closet after raping her by the feet (upside down). After researching
the case we discovered that the Mother had been exchanging the
little girl for sexual pleasure, and this time the Mother said no which
lead to what happened.

To me Child Abuse is a serious crime regardless to the skin-color,
and next week I have a case in court where the Mother and the
Father beat a mentally retarded child to death because of the
fact that they could not accept the child being born mentally
deformed and retarded. Child Abuse is a evil and sinful crime,
due to the fact that the child did not ask to be born, and I feel
that anyone who abuses a Child should hang by the neck.

Again, I am sure that many of you have read or seen on the
tele a lie vision incidents like I just memntioned, but to really
see something like I just stated is sickening, and again if you
never seen something like this in reality. Talking about Child
Abuse, and experiencing Child Abuse is two different things.

There is many different forms of Child Abuse, and I suggest
for anyone to research all areas of Child Abuse before trying
to talk about it (especially if you never experienced it).
Also I suggest for parents not to Abuse their child(ren), and
if a Child is abused by a Teacher or someone else report it to
the local Child Protection agency.

That's my thoughts.

The Ghostdog
As you must know, there is a large difference between Child Neglect, Child Abuse, Child Molestation, and rape and murder (both legally and in description). Your story deals with all of the above. This thread is meant to deal with Child Abuse in this country. This abuse is something that usually gets reported when it is too late. The courts and CPS won't do anything unless there are visible signs of abuse. The system does not care if you do drugs or are an alchoholic. All they care about is if it affects the child, and how bad it does. No mention of the emotional abuse that kid's go through with parents addicted to substance (drugs or alchohol).

You don't have to experience the abuse or witness the abuse to understand that it damages a child, sometimes for ever.
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Old 02-03-2008, 06:19 AM
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What can one say about Child Abuse if its never been experienced?
Lets not forget that Child Abuse and Child Neglection is two different
issues. As a Child Protection Investigator the general public seems to
think that they are educated on the subject, but when the real deal
comes down most have committed Child Abuse, and on the other hand
the question should be asked what is Child Neglection?

We can't just say that Child Neglection is ignoring what a child wants
everytime it goes into the toy store, or when a child falls on the floor
of a supermarket because it wants some candy.....lets get real.
Child Neglection is when a parent is receiving aid money to support
a child, and the money is used by the parent to buy drugs, or go to
the casino, or spend money on self.

That's a realistic example of Child Neglection, but lets look at the
evil vision of Child Abuse, and I have seen some real cases that
would make the investigator want to do something bad to the parent
that's involved. Last week I received a call at home at 3am in the
morning to come to the scene of a Child Abuse case. Once I arrived
on the scene it trapped me out (regardless to my professional training).

A Mother's Boyfriend had killed the Mother by sticking a electric cord
up into the Mothers public area, and had tied a 5 year old girl in the
closet after raping her by the feet (upside down). After researching
the case we discovered that the Mother had been exchanging the
little girl for sexual pleasure, and this time the Mother said no which
lead to what happened.

To me Child Abuse is a serious crime regardless to the skin-color,
and next week I have a case in court where the Mother and the
Father beat a mentally retarded child to death because of the
fact that they could not accept the child being born mentally
deformed and retarded. Child Abuse is a evil and sinful crime,
due to the fact that the child did not ask to be born, and I feel
that anyone who abuses a Child should hang by the neck.

Again, I am sure that many of you have read or seen on the
tele a lie vision incidents like I just memntioned, but to really
see something like I just stated is sickening, and again if you
never seen something like this in reality. Talking about Child
Abuse, and experiencing Child Abuse is two different things.

There is many different forms of Child Abuse, and I suggest
for anyone to research all areas of Child Abuse before trying
to talk about it (especially if you never experienced it).
Also I suggest for parents not to Abuse their child(ren), and
if a Child is abused by a Teacher or someone else report it to
the local Child Protection agency.

That's my thoughts.

The Ghostdog
Thank you Ghostdog. For making that post and for the work you do.
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Child abuse will always be a problem, worldwide as long as there are people with children. When you have a certain number of poor, drug addicted, mentally deranged, and generally unfit humans with a penis and vagina, a certain number of them will end up with children. Having children doesn't increase intellectual capacity. A marginal person before a child will be just as marginal afterwards. And there is no mental requirement for reproduction.

So as long as dumas people are having children, some of them will end up placing said offspring in dangerous situations if not outright killing them. And the more people there are, the more potentially "f'd" up situations.
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