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Old 01-25-2008, 06:41 PM
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That last part is not really true. There are many accounts of animals mating with different species.
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That is where hybrids come from. Other do mate, but there offspring is not viable.

I agree that it is an interesting topic. I thought I would look into it with all the talk about it going on in different threads. I would think that the Babylonian Law Code in that instance was based on morals.
Notice that the species involved are very closely related, however. Try and find, for instance, a horse porking a pig, or a lion screwing a giraffe. Won't happen.
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I do not see why one would want to have sex with an animal. I cannot stop you. The only thing that pisses me off about bestiality is when people (mainly the Christian right) group it with "interracial relationships." I don't get how you get interracial relationships from bestiality.
That is another difference between making it up to fit your uses, and having something solid to base your belief on. If they believe that interracial dating is akin to bestiality, I'd like to see them back that up with anything other than scripture, and even the verses they use is a bit cloudy. But since I don't consider myself a "Christian", that still wouldn't apply to me. I'd love to have that argument. Since people like that usually only think in black and white, it's a pretty easy one to get people to just start calling you names. Which mean you have won IMHO.
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Notice that the species involved are very closely related, however. Try and find, for instance, a horse porking a pig, or a lion screwing a giraffe. Won't happen.
Considering the predator/prey and size relationship, the chances for animals to mate cross species is probably rare. Humans just have a bit more imagination.

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Notice that the species involved are very closely related, however. Try and find, for instance, a horse porking a pig, or a lion screwing a giraffe. Won't happen.
For any offspring to be produced on hybrids they need to be fairly close genetically. That does not mean that sexual activity does not happen between other species. That are numerous photos out there of interspecies mating out there. I will not post them even though they are not explicit. It does occur in nature. They are usually not species are involved in a predatory relationship. Some include rabbit chicken, dog sheep, and many others.
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Considering the predator/prey and size relationship, the chances for animals to mate cross species is probably rare. Humans just have a bit more imagination.

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Exactly my point.

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For any offspring to be produced on hybrids they need to be fairly close genetically. That does not mean that sexual activity does not happen between other species. That are numerous photos out there of interspecies mating out there. I will not post them even though they are not explicit. It does occur in nature. They are usually not species are involved in a predatory relationship. Some include rabbit chicken, dog sheep, and many others.
I don't know how you would have learned of this, but please, at least send me some links. My own perversions aside, I'm interested in seeing proof of phenomena I'm hedging my bets are quite rare.
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I don't know how you would have learned of this, but please, at least send me some links. My own perversions aside, I'm interested in seeing proof of phenomena I'm hedging my bets are quite rare.
I am going too keep these links off the board, You can find them by google searching a few different versions of the phrase interspecies. I am going to PM you the links, they do contain some graphic pics that I think should probably be kept off. I would agree that this is probably a rarity, but it is also a rarity for people to be sexually attacked to non-humans. Respond with a PM or here, I just think we should keep the links off the site.
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Some things are better left to the usenet groups. LOL.
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I am going too keep these links off the board, You can find them by google searching a few different versions of the phrase interspecies. I am going to PM you the links, they do contain some graphic pics that I think should probably be kept off. I would agree that this is probably a rarity, but it is also a rarity for people to be sexually attacked to non-humans. Respond with a PM or here, I just think we should keep the links off the site.
Well, I can't argue that these videos and pictures are real, especially the videos, unless they somehow bated the dog into humping the lioness. But Occam's Razor says it's the real deal.

However, I'd still say this is a different phenomenon than zoophilia, because these animals might not be exactly aware of what they're doing. They might have misinterpreted a signal, or something. Meanwhile, humans have a different way of looking at the world--we view sex as a pleasureful activity, whereas the vast majority of animal species (i.e. all of them except a few primates and dolphins) only respond to certain stimuli like robots because they're biologically programmed to want to reproduce.
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Wouldn't that point of view also preclude observing animals and trying to use that information to validate homosexuality?

But then you see a hippo come to the aid of a different species...
YouTube - Hippo Saves Impala

Or Infanticide..
YouTube - Lion infanticide 1

Or Buffalos protecting their own
YouTube - Buffalo saved from death

Sometimes you gotta wonder is it all instinct or is there more in some cases.
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Well, I can't argue that these videos and pictures are real, especially the videos, unless they somehow bated the dog into humping the lioness. But Occam's Razor says it's the real deal.

However, I'd still say this is a different phenomenon than zoophilia, because these animals might not be exactly aware of what they're doing. They might have misinterpreted a signal, or something. Meanwhile, humans have a different way of looking at the world--we view sex as a pleasureful activity, whereas the vast majority of animal species (i.e. all of them except a few primates and dolphins) only respond to certain stimuli like robots because they're biologically programmed to want to reproduce.
True, they might not be. It is hard to say what and what not they are aware of. I do not think it is possible for us to know if they were somehow attracted or if they were confused. But, interspecies mating does occur.
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