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Old 11-28-2008, 03:33 PM
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The Raw Story | Why Rachel Maddow is 'thankful' Bush administration is ending

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow put together a list of Bush officials that have been indicted or resigned abruptly in order to recall "just how bad the bad old times have been."
Dozens of the hundreds of Bush administrative officials are included in the list. But here is the kicker. Can you name a single official who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted? Just one????

Interesting....
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The Raw Story | Why Rachel Maddow is 'thankful' Bush administration is ending

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow put together a list of Bush officials that have been indicted or resigned abruptly in order to recall "just how bad the bad old times have been."
Dozens of the hundreds of Bush administrative officials are included in the list. But here is the kicker. Can you name a single official who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted? Just one????

Interesting....
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie (fund raiser for the Clinton's and the DNC)? Henry Cisneros (Housing and Urban Development Secretary)? Mike Espy (Agriculture Secretary)? Webster Hubbell (Associate Attorney General)? Ron Brown (Commerce Secretary)? Roger Altman (Deputy Treasury Secretary)? Jean Hanson (Treasury Counsel)?

I found a few in 5 mins time. Ron Brown was being investigated by the FBI at the time of his death for taking bribes.

Btw, none of these things involve Whitewater directly or Vince Fosters death.
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I found a few in 5 mins time. Ron Brown was being investigated by the FBI at the time of his death for taking bribes.
Lin "Charlie" Trie, was not a member of Clinton's administration nor were members of Clinton's administration indicted or involved in his illegal activities.

Henry Gabriel Cisneros was involved in payments made to a mistress and lies he told about those payments. Again, activites that had nothing to do with the Clinton administration.

Mike Espy was acquited of all 30 charges of taking improper gifts from businesses and lobbyists.

Webb Hubbell spent 18 months in jail for bilking his law clients and his former employer, the Rose Law Firm of Little Rock, Ark and his illegal activities had nothing to do with the Clinton administration.

Ron Brown was guilty of only one thing, being a victim of the worst republican smear campaign ever.

Jean Hanson you're shooting blanks.

So you put up five names and none of them had to do with illegal activity that involved the Clinton administration.

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Btw, none of these things involve Whitewater directly or Vince Fosters death.
Vince Foster's death was investigated and found to be a suicide...once again you can't find a single person who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted?

Care to take another shot?
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Henry Gabriel Cisneros was involved in payments made to a mistress and lies he told about those payments. Again, activites that had nothing to do with the Clinton administration.
He lied to FBI agents during the background checks done before he could take office. He was INDICTED while in the Clinton Admin..

If I remember correctly your question was what?

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Can you name a single official who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted? Just one????
Hmm.. clearly he was indicted during the Clinton Admin as HUD Sec.



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Mike Espy was acquited of all 30 charges of taking improper gifts from businesses and lobbyists.
Again refer back to your question you asked. You said indicted. He was indicted while a member of the Clinton Admin.

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Webb Hubbell spent 18 months in jail for bilking his law clients and his former employer, the Rose Law Firm of Little Rock, Ark and his illegal activities had nothing to do with the Clinton administration.
Refer to your question.. again. He was forced to resign and a few days later he plead guilty to tax evasion.

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Ron Brown was guilty of only one thing, being a victim of the worst republican smear campaign ever.
Who smeared him? Nolanda Hill?


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So you put up five names and none of them had to do with illegal activity that involved the Clinton administration.
You asked for people who were INDICTED. Indict: To accuse of wrongdoing.

Those I listed were indicted while working for the Clinton Admin. These folks were high level folks.

Federico Peńa was even indicted.



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Vince Foster's death was investigated and found to be a suicide...once again you can't find a single person who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted?

Care to take another shot?
Seems you don't know what the word indicted means. It also seems you have a double standard as I gave you a listed of indicted people. But apparently that's not up to your "standards" but according to the law they were indicted.

So who has the double standards Affrayer?
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He lied to FBI agents during the background checks done before he could take office. He was INDICTED while in the Clinton Admin.
But not for crimes committed during his tenure in the Clinton administration.

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If I remember correctly your question was what?
Obviously you don't remember correctly. It was NOT for crimes committed who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted? He was not working under or for the Clinton administration when he committed those crimes.

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Hmm.. clearly he was indicted during the Clinton Admin as HUD Sec.
It was NOT for crimes committed who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted? He was not working under or for the Clinton administration when he committed those crimes.

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Again refer back to your question you asked. You said indicted. He was indicted while a member of the Clinton Admin.
Nope, I said indicted while working for and under the Clinton administration. He was not working under or for the Clinton administration when he committed those crimes.

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Refer to your question.. again. He was forced to resign and a few days later he plead guilty to tax evasion.
Nope, I said indicted while working for and under the Clinton administration. He was not working under or for the Clinton administration when he committed those crimes.

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Republicans.

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You asked for people who were INDICTED.
Nope, I said indicted while working for and under the Clinton administration. He was not working under or for the Clinton administration when he committed those crimes.

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Those I listed were indicted while working for the Clinton Admin. These folks were high level folks.
But they were not indicted for crimes committed as part of the Clinton administration.

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Seems you don't know what the word indicted means.
Seems like you don't know what the phrase "while working for and under the Clinton administration" means.
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let me break it down for ya.. all those I listed except for the Chinese guy.. was INDICTED while working for the Clinton Admin.
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let me break it down for ya.. all those I listed except for the Chinese guy.. was INDICTED while working for the Clinton Admin.
Let me dummy this down for you, all of those guys, except Mike Espy who was charged with 30 phony crimes, Jean Hanson who wasn't indicted and Webb Hubbell who had resigned before he was charged, were charged with crimes while working DURING their tenure at the Clinton administration but not for crimes committed while working "for" the Clinton administration.

Now do you want to compare them to the dozens and dozens of republican operatives who were indicted for their activities as members in the Bush administration?
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You said indicted.. not when the crime took place. You need to clarify your position in the first post. I caught you in a wanna be gotcha game. Now you are eating crow. So back track like you usually do..
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Espy was acquitted at trial of all 30 counts brought by the prosecutor without the defense even presenting any evidence.

Affrayer, you should have said "convicted". Prosecutors can get an indictment on a potato for having eyes.
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You said indicted..
And I also said "who while working for and under the Clinton administration, was indicted." Are you saying because you have half the sentence correct you are saying something pertinent?
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