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Old 11-26-2008, 11:11 AM
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This is a good thing for the citizens of California. Now what can we all do to remove the politicians from office who voted for the bailout against the vast majority of their constituents' wishes? We cannot afford to wait for 2 or 4 more years while our national treasury continues to be recklessly plundered by imbeciles and crooks.

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Post-election news from California was dominated by Barack Obama's hefty margin over John McCain in the state and passage of Proposition 8, overturning gay marriage. But it was the unheralded passage of another initiative that may make the most history and crimp Democrat hopes for a prolonged era of dominance.

Proposition 11, which passed with the narrowest of margins (50.8 percent), could mark the most serious challenge to the political class by voters since the foiled term limit movement of the 1990s. It strikes at the core pillar of power: incumbency guaranteed through gerrymandered districts. Californians took away from their legislature the power to draw its own districts--a key element of nearly uninterrupted Democratic control since 1970. The task will now be handled by an eight-member commission chosen much like a jury, whose members cannot come from the political class.

Incumbent legislators have lost perhaps their best tool for avoiding competitive elections, long a disgraceful ritual in Sacramento and other state capitals following the once-a-decade census. The legislature still gets to draw districts for U.S. House seats, but here too it must adhere to rules that bind the new commission--namely keeping counties and cities whole as much as possible. Gerrymandered districts will now be more vulnerable to legal challenges.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:42 PM
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This is a good thing for the citizens of California. Now what can we all do to remove the politicians from office who voted for the bailout against the vast majority of their constituents' wishes? We cannot afford to wait for 2 or 4 more years while our national treasury continues to be recklessly plundered by imbeciles and crooks.
Now watch the courts find this unconstitutional (though it actually isn't) just like they declared congressional term limits unconstitutional.
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:55 PM
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As long as this does not in someway violate the Reapportionment Act of 1929, and I do not see how it does. then there is no valid argument for it being unconstitutional.

As long as they can keep the districts legal and represented I am all for it. Go Cali.
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:16 PM
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As long as this does not in someway violate the Reapportionment Act of 1929, and I do not see how it does. then there is no valid argument for it being unconstitutional.

As long as they can keep the districts legal and represented I am all for it. Go Cali.
There was no valid argument for the U. S. Supreme Court to define "public use" (fifth amendment) to mean a city can take your home and sell it to a developer because the city would arguably get more in property taxes from the developer either (though, more often than not, cities tend to give developers property tax breaks to entice them to develop in the community), yet the U. S. Supreme Court did so. The Reapportionment Act of 1929 is not the Constitution and it is not an amendment to the Constitution: it doesn't matter what that particular piece of legislation says because the federal courts can easily declare it unconstitutional. In short, there doesn't have to be a valid argument in order for the federal courts to declare something unconstitutional.
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:23 PM
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The Reapportionment Act of 1929 is not the Constitution and it is not an amendment to the Constitution: it doesn't matter what that particular piece of legislation says because the federal courts can easily declare it unconstitutional. In short, there doesn't have to be a valid argument in order for the federal courts to declare something unconstitutional.
I Know that the act is not part of the constitution. My reference was because it has been the precedent in many cases and has been upheld many times in the past 80 years.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:35 PM
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I Know that the act is not part of the constitution. My reference was because it has been the precedent in many cases and has been upheld many times in the past 80 years.
But since the federal courts can very easily overturn such legislation, I wouldn't put much stock in its permanence.
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