Obama Lied - William Ayers Relationship - Political Fever

Chosen1 · #1 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 01:13 AM

They say that eventually everything comes out in the wash. Let's take the Barack Obama & William Ayers relationship. Obama supporters called the very mention of this association a smear campaign. When questioned about their relationship, Obama said that he was "a guy in the neighborhood", but no mention of the fact that they were friends. Most of us knew better.

Here is an excerpt from William Ayers' manuscript called "Fugitive Days". Ayers is very clear as to describing the relationship he had with Obama.

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Bill Ayers: Barack Obama a 'family friend'

"Obama had dismissed Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" and "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."

This is from William Ayers memoirs:

"[W]e had served together on the board of a foundation, knew one another as neighbors and family friends, held an initial fund-raiser at my house, where I'd made a small donation to his earliest political campaign."

BILL AYERS: Bill Ayers calls Barack Obama 'family friend,' denounces guilt by association -- chicagotribune.com

They were "family friends", yet that is not how Obama described the relationship he shared with Ayers. In fact, he made no mention that they were friends. During the Obama/Clinton debate he was very clear:

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OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George.

ABC News: Transcript: Obama and Clinton Debate

Here's the video interview that shows Obama saying this during the debate:
YouTube - A Guy who Lives in my Neighborhood

I am very disappointed that our President Elect has been caught in this lie, or what some may describe as "an ommision of fact". It makes me wonder what other issues that have been categorized as "smear campaigns" are actually closer to the truth than we are aware. I wonder how this makes those that voted for him feel about their choice? Is this important, or does honesty ALWAYS take a back seat to politics?

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America · #2 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 01:47 AM

Funny thing about that guilt by association thing: Ayers denounces it. You neglected to mention that. Obama does not share Ayers view of the world. You neglected to mention that as well. Here's what else you neglected to mention.

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"The more serious point is that Obama was asked once more to defend something that ought to be at the very heart of democracy: the importance of talking to many people in this complicated and wildly diverse society, of listening with the possibility of learning something new, of speaking with the possibility of persuading or influencing others. ... In a robust and sophisticated democracy, political leaders, indeed, all of us, would seek out ways to talk with many people who hold dissenting, even radical, ideas."

Being critical of a person who actually holds the same views as William Ayers is one thing. Being critical of a person who DOES NOT share those views but is instead guilty-by-association is another thing entirely.

McCain associated with his own terrorist who he called his friend, G Gordon Liddy. He also associated with Nazis in an anti-communist group, lobbyists for Saddam Hussein, and organized crime figures and you are still whining about what John McCain himself called a "washed-up old terrorist?"

Be careful of that guilt by association thingy. It can backfire real quick.

malrenalds · #3 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 02:35 AM

He won why is this not over.

I am inclined to agree with the hulk.

The right wing Idea of surrounding yourself with people who only agree with you is what leads to 8 years like we have had.

What has Obama ever done to make anyone think he agrees with bill?
The answer is nothing. The President Elect has never bombed anything or said that any bombing was justified.

on the other hand neither McCain or Palin would agree that bombing an abortion clinic as terrorism.

I bet Obama would say it was. I sure think that a politically motivated attack is indeed a terror attack.

So Associations mean less to people with big enough minds to not let others Ideas seep in to their brains. I have a republican friend that does not make me a republican.

And to the main point of the OP. Now you are taking the word of a terrorist over that of the president elect? Why?

I think the fact that anyone would quote a terrorist as a reliable source, makes me wonder about their associations.

Affrayer · #4 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chosen1

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Obama was eight years old at the time....

Panhandle Slim · #5 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 10:17 AM

People are tired of hearing about Ayers and it has lost what little traction it had. It's time for republicans to drop it, along with the infighting. It's embarassing.

Chosen1 · #6 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by America

Funny thing about that guilt by association thing: Ayers denounces it. You neglected to mention that. Obama does not share Ayers view of the world. You neglected to mention that as well. Here's what else you neglected to mention.

I didn't mention those things because they are IRRELEVANT to the topic of this thread. This is about Obama not being forthcoming about his friendship with Ayers. This is very clear for those without rosy colored Obama glasses on. No, this is not about their association. We are WAY past that stage. This is about Barack Obama lying to the American people about the true nature of his relationship with an admitted domestic terrorist.

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Originally Posted by America

Being critical of a person who actually holds the same views as William Ayers is one thing. Being critical of a person who DOES NOT share those views but is instead guilty-by-association is another thing entirely.

This has NOTHING to do with "guilt by association", or the fact that Obama lied to the American people.

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Originally Posted by America

McCain associated with his own terrorist who he called his friend, G Gordon Liddy. He also associated with Nazis in an anti-communist group, lobbyists for Saddam Hussein, and organized crime figures and you are still whining about what John McCain himself called a "washed-up old terrorist?"

Spin, spin, spin...

FYI, the election is over. McCain is old news. Obama lying to get elected is new news.

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Originally Posted by America

Be careful of that guilt by association thingy. It can backfire real quick.

It sure backfired for Obama and Ayers. Obama was caught in his lie.

Chosen1 · #7 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Panhandle Slim

People are tired of hearing about Ayers and it has lost what little traction it had. It's time for republicans to drop it, along with the infighting. It's embarassing.

Panhandle, does it not bother you that Obama lied about his true relationship with Ayers? Being "Family friends" is much, much different than just being "a guy who lives in my neighborhood".

Face the truth here. Obama lied and he has been caught in that lie. That is the issue here, as explained in the OP. Doesn't this bother you?

Chosen1 · #8 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Affrayer

Obama was eight years old at the time....

Obama was NOT 8 years old when him and Ayers were famliy friends. Stop the spin and face the truth. Obama supporters have been hoodwinked.

Does this not bother you??

Chosen1 · #9 (**permalink**) 11-14-2008, 12:53 PM

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