Obama Lied - William Ayers Relationship - Page 9 - Political Fever

Lumara · #81 (**permalink**) 11-21-2008, 08:10 PM

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I'm not "upset." I don't understand why you would sign up on a political forum and then not engage in any debate. I don't see the purpose of simply posting your opinion and then declaring that disagreement is simply irrelevant. This forum is, obviously, what you make of it, but my purpose here is primarily to learn through debating other people. I've made what I believe are relevant points that refute your idea; your dismissal of them without addressing them at all doesn't help me, you, or anyone else learn. It's okay with me if you're here to just post your opinions and don't want to engage in any debate. Just say the word and I'll put you on ignore if I can't expect you to engage in debate. I respect that, but it's not what I'm here for and if you won't debate then I don't want your posts taking up space on my browser.

Very well said!

malrenalds asked:

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Why do you believe Bill Ayers, over Obama?

Chosen1 replied:

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It seems that it is YOU that is beating a dead horse here.

Deflection! You still haven't answered this question.

It's a very simple, easy-to-understand question with 8 simple words.

Why do you believe Bill Ayers, over Obama?

Chosen1 · #82 (**permalink**) 11-21-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

Deflection! You still haven't answered this question.

It's a very simple, easy-to-understand question with 8 simple words.

Why do you believe Bill Ayers, over Obama?

What is it with constantly repeating this baited question?

Obviously my "easy-to-understand" response was not clear enough for you and the rest of your forum buddies here. One more time:

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The Question:

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Originally Posted by malrenalds

Why do you believe Bill Ayers, over Obama?

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Originally Posted by Chosen1

Ayers changed his story in his recent interview because it serves his family friend, Barack Obama. If you cannot see how these public figures will accommodate each other, then you certainly have your eyes wide shut.

That's my answer, and if it's not up to your standards, well..I could give a rat's behind. Really, it's quite obvious that you are going to bat for those that struck out in their earlier posts. I have given my answer, so maybe now y'all will stop beating the dead horse.

Zephyr · #83 (**permalink**) 11-21-2008, 11:50 PM

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Then don't, because I refuse to entertain your off topic comments. If you cannot respect another members opinion without trying to annoy them into submission, then I really don't know what to tell you. I have posted my opinion on why Obama lied MANY times, so maybe you need to revisit my earlier posts.

I think it's better to ignore you at this point.

Alright, just making sure we understand each other. Peace bro, good luck.

Chosen1 · #84 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zephyr

Alright, just making sure we understand each other. Peace bro, good luck.

Likewise. Until the next time we meet.

Jojo · #85 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 03:00 AM

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The Question:
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Originally Posted by malrenalds View Post
Why do you believe Bill Ayers, over Obama?

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Ayers changed his story in his recent interview because it serves his family friend, Barack Obama. If you cannot see how these public figures will accommodate each other, then you certainly have your eyes wide shut.

You believe Ayers is the one telling the truth because you caught him in a lie? You support a terrorist over the president elect, on that basis?

Do you consider yourself rational in this conversation? Your position seem far more like a leap of faith than any expression of logic - and your admonitions to those who argue show a peculiar notion of what debate consists of.

malrenalds · #86 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 04:44 AM

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Obama lied and you, nor anyone else, can bully me into changing my mind. It's not the first time he lied, and it won't be the last. Welcome to politics 101. Now stop parroting the same question over and over...it's getting old.

well I was done now that you left me a negative rep I guess I should address this further.

Lets take a look at the answer so that I can show you why it is unclear to everyone that is not currently you.

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Ayers changed his story in his recent interview

In this half you state that he changed his story. So that means that he lied at least once. That much goes without saying. Either they are are they are not "friends" both cannot be true.

So This proves that one way or another Bill Ayers is in fact a liar.

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because it serves his family friend, Barack Obama. If you cannot see how these public figures will accommodate each other, then you certainly have your eyes wide shut.

In this half is complete speculation. Not proof, nor do you offer any evidence that this is true. Just your own OPINION.

So in summery the only evidence you offer is that Bill is telling the truth is that he is a liar.

You are entitled to your interpretation of this information. But it is just that, you have called it a fact over and over but that does not make it one.

sleuth · #87 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chosen1

Nope, that's not what I said. It's a shallow attempt to twist my words to your liking. But if it fits what you want to hear, then more power to you. But the fact remains that Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers.

uh, i'm coming in late to this discussion. have you any proof that obama lied about anything? he repeatedly has said that there was no discourse, and that they may have been in the same room, or something to that effect, but nothing that could be construed as "a relationship". So what are you talking about?

sleuth · #88 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 08:16 AM

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They say that eventually everything comes out in the wash. Let's take the Barack Obama & William Ayers relationship. Obama supporters called the very mention of this association a smear campaign. When questioned about their relationship, Obama said that he was "a guy in the neighborhood", but no mention of the fact that they were friends. Most of us knew better.

Here is an excerpt from William Ayers' manuscript called "Fugitive Days". Ayers is very clear as to describing the relationship he had with Obama.

They were "family friends", yet that is not how Obama described the relationship he shared with Ayers. In fact, he made no mention that they were friends. During the Obama/Clinton debate he was very clear:

Here's the video interview that shows Obama saying this during the debate:
YouTube - A Guy who Lives in my Neighborhood

I am very disappointed that our President Elect has been caught in this lie, or what some may describe as "an ommision of fact". It makes me wonder what other issues that have been categorized as "smear campaigns" are actually closer to the truth than we are aware. I wonder how this makes those that voted for him feel about their choice? Is this important, or does honesty ALWAYS take a back seat to politics?

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Exaggeration. Perhaps Ayers exaggerated the relationship, in hindsight....it would add gravitas to him to do so.
the question becomes : who do you believe?

Lumara · #89 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 08:20 AM

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Exaggeration. Perhaps Ayers exaggerated the relationship, in hindsight....it would add gravitas to him to do so.
the question becomes : who do you believe?

He already has told us he believes Ayers because he lied.

sleuth · #90 (**permalink**) 11-22-2008, 08:35 AM

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He already has told us he believes Ayers because he lied.

ok. why?

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