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Old 11-11-2008, 11:32 AM
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Thumbs up Hooray for Obama?

Although Obama wasn't my choice, I'm relieved that the not-so-maverick McCain with his nutty fundamentalist sidekick didn't win. At least we got to show the world that we rejected the nation-destroying neocon policies of the past 8 years and there's some satisfaction in that.

Yet I don't expect to see much change coming from Obama's win. I know he hasn't been inaugurated yet, but I'm going by the policies described on his change.gov website and some of the choices he has already made, such as his vote in favor the bailout and the appointment of Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff. I expect to see the same corporate-welfare polices continue, with some cosmetic changes in order to fool the citizens into thinking that actual changes will be made.

So I was very interested to read the following article which makes some of the same points that I have believed in all along.

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I must admit, I'm a little bit happy about Obama winning the election. No, it's not because I'm all googly-eyed over his message, or because I think he's the country's salvation. Quite the opposite, in fact. I'm glad he won, because I think it will speed up, if only by a tiny fraction, the demise of the United States empire. Good riddance.

If you had a dog, and it had rabies--staggering around, frothing at the mouth, and trying to bite everyone--would your goal be to prolong it's life as long as possible, or to put the thing out of its misery? However much you once cared for it, the only humane thing to do is shoot the dog.

Likewise, a lot of people know full well that the Great American Experiment has failed. It had a pretty impressive start, but it's never going back to anything resembling a free country. It is an empire now, a tyrant's playground. It has nothing to do with individual liberty, and everything to do with dominion and control. So why drag out its demise any longer?

Even if McCain is a bit less socialist than Obama, what good would it have done for him to win? Would he turn things around, and start the country on a steady swing back in the direction of a limited, constitutional republic? Not a chance. I don't think I know anyone stupid enough to think that. So what's the best a McCain presidency could have accomplished? To maybe delay the demise of the empire another few months, or even years (to be overly optimistic about it)? Why bother? Is the goal to put it off until it's your kids' problem, or what?

Our political system has rabies, and there is no cure. Let it die. In fact, help it die.

I hope Obama passes every socialistic program and wealth redistribution plan he can think of. And then I hope the American people refuse to comply. I hope he outlaws private gun ownership completely, and I hope the American people refuse to give up their guns. I hope he nationalizes all health care, and I hope a black market in health care springs up. I hope he outlaws private possession of gold, and no one hands theirs over.

I hope he keeps the war-mongering going, and Americans refuse to sign up, and people already in the military resign in droves. I hope he continues the tradition of the government doing the bidding of the bankers and the Federal Reserve, keeping everyone in debt, and constantly defrauded through the fiat currency scam. And I hope the dollar collapses, and people start using something else (e.g., silver and gold). I hope he raises taxes through the roof, and I hope people refuse to pay them.

I hope he pushes his nationalist/socialist agenda just as fast as he possibly can, and I hope Congress helps him to do so. And then I hope that the spirit of resistance comes back to life in this country, and lets the beast die under its own weight.

Every time I bash the cult ritual of voting, or point out how crumby one candidate or another is, lots of people ask me, "Well, what are we supposed to do? You're not giving any solutions!" Let me say this very bluntly: the way to end tyranny is not by voting, or petitioning, or running for office.

The only way to end tyranny is by disobedience.

Whether by revolution or by passive resistance, the only thing that has ever reduced oppression is a bunch of people refusing to do what "authority" told them to do. Of course, that's risky, and "illegal," and so most people will never dare to do it, at least not until things get really bad. That's why I WANT things to get really bad. Maybe then the American people will grow a spine, and stop all this pathetic groveling to politicians.

(P.S. There may be some tempted to say, "But Obama will destroy the country!" Sorry to break it to you, but the country was destroyed about a century ago, if not earlier. It's just taken really long for the terminal illness called "collectivism" to run its full course. Pull the plug. Let it die. Then try for something better.)

(P.P.S. I admit, I was eagerly looking forward to election day. No, not because I was excited by the election, or because I cared who won anything. No, I was excited because after today, the constant stream of absolute bullpoop spewing out of every TV and radio might slow down a bit. Nothing is more depressing than having to listen to the biggest crooks on the planet whining, lying, fear-mongering, playing god, making empty promises, and otherwise lying their rear ends off--a.k.a. "campaigning.") Hooray for Obama?
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We all do, Affrayer.
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We all do, Affrayer.
Okay - so what should we be passively - or actively - resisting now?
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Paying for the bailout comes to mind.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:26 PM
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Paying for the bailout comes to mind.
How - refuse to pay taxes? It's been tried.

Right now, I'd like to see all bailout money go to a huge WPA program that would fix infrastructure and provide jobs so that citizens can make purchases....and so on. Obviously I am a radical communist for not wanting to bailout banks and big businesses who f*cked up big time!
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:43 PM
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Obviously I am a radical communist for not wanting to bailout banks and big businesses who f*cked up big time!
No....you're just normal unlike our 'rulers.'
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I thought this paragraph was interesting: "Likewise, a lot of people know full well that the Great American Experiment has failed. It had a pretty impressive start, but it's never going back to anything resembling a free country. It is an empire now, a tyrant's playground. It has nothing to do with individual liberty, and everything to do with dominion and control. So why drag out its demise any longer?"

Of course, Barack Hussein Obama bin Laden is just going to continue on this same course of turning America into Europe and surrendering its sovereignty to an international body like the UN - just as McCain would have done.
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