Michael, Yes Hoover had a role, Hoover RAISED TAXES and it made it worse. Second.. FDR made the Great Depression worse as well. He kept Taxes high and spent like a drunken sailor, on top of that he slaughtered millions of cattle and pigs.. to try and raise prices in a DEFLATIONARY period.. that prolonged the depression even further.. under almost 8 years.. FDR did nothing, but prolonged it.. it took a war for us to get out of the Great Depression.. where 14 million men were drafted (given jobs).

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

Since it's going to get "really crappy" no matter what Obama does, what is the difference? Take this for example:

Obama And Bush Meeting At White House (VIDEO and SLIDESHOW)

UPDATE on November 10 at 7:15 PM EST: A source tells NBC News that Obama pushed Bush on an economic stimulus package, saying that action is needed now, not after the inauguration:

According to the source, Obama told Bush that action is needed on a stimulus package now - in a lame duck session - and cannot wait until after the inauguration.

What can Obama do?

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Obama's Meet The Press Interview: General Eric Shinseki To Be Veterans Affairs Secretary (VIDEO)

Barack Obama will be on Meet the Press Sunday. NBC has released an excerpt from the interview in which Obama announces that tomorrow, on the anniversary of Pearl Harbor, he will name General Eric Shinseki as Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Shinseki gained fame for losing his job in the Bush Administration after he testified to Congress that an occupation of Iraq would require hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops, a view which was not shared by the Pentagon under Donald Rumsfeld, but is now widely regarded as correct. Watch the excerpt from the interview below, and check back for the full video.

Wow...Secretary of Veterans Affairs...the only general who had it right and the stones to speak out about it is now Secretary of Veterans Affairs...seems like a waste of talent...this was just a token slap in the face.

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Bloomberg.com: Exclusive

Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.’s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China.

This is a bad idea. NASA is a socialistic based enterprise. Like all such endeavors a concerted effort must be maintained to keep it moving along. Take the USSR and jet aircraft. This was an area where plenty of resources were expended and as a result, technological advancements were made. In fact, the USA stole or if you prefer, copied those advancements. Just as the USA poured massive amounts of resources into computer development and as a result left the USSR far behind and resorting to pirating our technologies.

Both Reagan and Bush jr tried to run NASA as a business and as a result, caused shuttle craft to crash and burn. NASA wasn't set up to run as a business and trying to run it as one put inordinate strain on its infrastructure. Reagan tried to "push" shuttle launches from four a year to twelve a year and Bush jr tried to "cut costs" which resulted in inferior workmanship. Now Obama is going to throw the military at NASA and as a result the flaws in the way the military carries out its missions will transfer to NASA and cause all sorts of problems.

An example of such a flaw is PTSD. The military has no problem while PTSD infects those in the military as long as the current mission is carried out. And the military has no problem afterward because it dumps the infected solders onto the society. But the problem exists.

The Raw Story | Army-wide probe of vets 'involved in violent crimes' mulled

On a senator's request, the secretary of the Army is considering widening a probe into veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan who have committed violent crimes, according to an article in Friday's edition of The New York Times.

Reporting on an "Army installation in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains [that' became a busy way station for soldiers cycling in and out of Iraq," Lizette Alvarez and Dan Frosch write "that the number of servicemen implicated in violent crimes has raised alarm."

See the problem? See why the military doesn't care about the problem? One can only wonder how thinking such as this which is pervasive in the military structure is going to affect a program like NASA. Probably another shuttle crash is in our future...

Obama gets a big fat "F" for this....

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Been shoveling that brown stuff out of the stables again, haven't you?

So...if it took a war to get us out of the Great Depression, how did you explain the fact that the top tax rate went up to 94% and whole industries were nationalized?? You can't have it both ways, Fins, not even with your radically revised version of history: Either FDR got us out of it or the heavily socialized policies of the government in the 1940's did. YOUR rightwing solution of tax cuts and deregulation DID NOT.

I know you don't like it, but you'd better learn to live with it...

But to deal directly with your original flatly ridiculous claim, it's clear that you're basing your ignorant New Deal revisionism on the short-lived recession in a year straddling 1937 and 1938. But that was four years into Roosevelt’s term—four years marked by spectacular economic growth...and that cannot be denied. Additionally, the fleeting decline happened not because of the New Deal’s spending programs, but because Roosevelt momentarily listened to know-nothings not unlike yourself, and backed off them. As Nobel Laureate Professor Paul Krugman notes, in 1937-38, FDR “was persuaded to balance the budget” and “cut spending and the economy went back down again.”

To be sure, you can credibly argue that the New Deal had its share of problems...and knowing you as I do, you WILL. But overall, the numbers prove it helped—rather than hurt—the macro-economy. “Excepting 1937-1938, unemployment fell each year of Roosevelt’s first two terms [while] the U.S. economy grew at average annual growth rates of 9 percent to 10 percent,” writes University of California historian Eric Rauchway. Are you prepared to argue with that?

Further, the New Deal’s most "massive government intervention," its financial regulations, did NOT prolong the Great Depression either. According to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, “Only with the New Deal’s rehabilitation of the financial system in 1933-35 did the economy begin its slow emergence from the Great Depression.” In fact, even famed conservative economist Milton Friedman admitted that the New Deal’s Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was “the structural change most conducive to monetary stability since ... the Civil War.” Oops!

Okay. All the verifiable evidence proves the New Deal did not prolong the Depression...and historians CONFIRM IT. As Newsweek’s Daniel Gross reports, “One would be very hard-pressed to find a serious professional historian who believes that the New Deal prolonged the Depression.”

How does it feel being wrong about EVERYTHING??

As rightwing loony tunes try to obstruct a new New Deal, they’re not making any arguments that are remotely serious...are they?

I'd strongly suggest you quit while you're behind...

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Were the heck did that come from? Quite a response....

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I get really sick of these rightwad liars spreading ugly propaganda in here, Affrayer, and I'm serving notice as of now: Smackdowns WILL be administered as required!

(Glad you liked it...)

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You're going to like this article: Op-Ed Columnist - A President Forgotten but Not Gone - NYTimes.com

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Yes, they will. If you persist in insulting members here, "smackdowns" will be issued. You are skirting the line. Debate the issues without casting aspersions on posters who don't share your opinion.

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