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Old 11-05-2008, 03:29 PM
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i am not sure why some people are being so vicious - jeesh give obama a chance at least. he could surprise you - and lets face it, my dog would have done a better job than bush has done. and i admit i did vote for bush. i am a republican. however i rectified my previous error - i also voted for change
I don't think I am being vicious. He could surprise me, but he has been in the spotlight for how long. I have done research on him. I kind of know what to expect and it is not very pretty. It is more of the same. He could surprise me. I hope he does, but I doubt he will.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:36 PM
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Wait a minute. I thought Obama supporters were absolutely convinced that he would deliver this country from all it's problems. Remember the mantra of "Yes We Can" and the eternal message of "Change"?? What happened??Sounds a bit like there is some doubt in your voice on whether or not you have confidence in him and whether Obama will come through as he promised.
Wait a minute; I thought that generalizing people was bad. Was I wrong? I know what he says he'll do. If he does one-fourth of it he's still better than McCain would have been. I don't blindly follow Obama, as you should probably know, I supported him fervently as the first black president (HUGE milestone in this nation's history). I support him based on his charisma and his campaign (one of the best in history) and I support him based on what he SAYS he will do. Again, if he does everything he promised I'll own myself surprised, but even if he does one tenth of it I'll be happy.

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That is why you need to do the homework BEFORE electing a candidate. At this point, you are stuck with whatever he deems fit for this country. I predict 4 more years of the same...plus a few stimulus packages to keep the general population from complaining too much.
I did, went through his website and looked at all his policies. They almost all looked pretty good to me.

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I will support America's new president but will also keep a close eye on his every move. I didn't trust him then and I don't trust him now, but he is the president elect and deserves the respect that goes along with the title.
I don't trust McCain. He tried to paint himself as a maverick, as "new blood," as a radical departure from the last 8 years--but he shares his fundamental beliefs with George W. Bush. Also, he picked a retarded running mate who invalidated every single thing he said about Obama lacking experience.

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Don't let America down Barack. We'll be watching you.
Undoubtedly he will, as the first black president, be held to ridiculous standards. Sort of like Sarah Palin, but in reverse.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:41 PM
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Undoubtedly he will, as the first black president, be held to ridiculous standards. Sort of like Sarah Palin, but in reverse.
I am sure that is the reason. Everything is always about race.
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:51 PM
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Wait a minute; I thought that generalizing people was bad. Was I wrong? I know what he says he'll do. If he does one-fourth of it he's still better than McCain would have been. I don't blindly follow Obama, as you should probably know, I supported him fervently as the first black president (HUGE milestone in this nation's history). I support him based on his charisma and his campaign (one of the best in history) and I support him based on what he SAYS he will do. Again, if he does everything he promised I'll own myself surprised, but even if he does one tenth of it I'll be happy.
Translation: you supported Obama based on fluff - like most of the American sheeple.


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I did, went through his website and looked at all his policies. They almost all looked pretty good to me.
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I don't trust McCain. He tried to paint himself as a maverick, as "new blood," as a radical departure from the last 8 years--but he shares his fundamental beliefs with George W. Bush. Also, he picked a retarded running mate who invalidated every single thing he said about Obama lacking experience.
The frequency with which he voted in favor of Bush policies was disturbing. As for Palin, do you realize she has the same amount of experience that Harry Truman had when he was picked to be FDR's running mate?


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Undoubtedly he will, as the first black president, be held to ridiculous standards. Sort of like Sarah Palin, but in reverse.
Ridiculous standards like the ones white presidents have been held to? Oh wait, you're of that generation that believes people should be rewarded just for showing up - you can't possibly know anything about being held to standards. However, since Louis Farrakhan says Obama is the Messiah, maybe Obama should be held to a higher standard.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:27 PM
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Wait a minute; I thought that generalizing people was bad. Was I wrong? I know what he says he'll do. If he does one-fourth of it he's still better than McCain would have been. I don't blindly follow Obama, as you should probably know, I supported him fervently as the first black president (HUGE milestone in this nation's history). I support him based on his charisma and his campaign (one of the best in history) and I support him based on what he SAYS he will do. Again, if he does everything he promised I'll own myself surprised, but even if he does one tenth of it I'll be happy.
So really Obama just needs to go through the paces in your opinion? Some high standards you have set for him. And two of your methods of selection shouldnt even be taken into consideration. The third, well that is great you went to his PR site and studied his policies. I mean, who cares about how he actually voted on issues.....
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:44 PM
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I am sure that is the reason. Everything is always about race.
Of course it's the reason, it's not the only reason, but it's a reason. People won't even notice they're doing it, most likely.


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Translation: you supported Obama based on fluff - like most of the American sheeple.
Of course. It couldn't be that his policies appealed to me.

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You're still just a little boy; you're not in a position to know anything about public policy.
It's like no one older than me could possibly think the same way I do. We now know that isn't true (we did before the election, too).
When I pointed out that my parents agree with me in several other threads where you were forced to resort to calling me a "little boy," their "life experience" and "age" was dismissed immediately because they were "socialists." I found that interesting.

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The frequency with which he voted in favor of Bush policies was disturbing. As for Palin, do you realize she has the same amount of experience that Harry Truman had when he was picked to be FDR's running mate?
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Also, he picked a retarded running mate who invalidated every single thing he said about Obama lacking experience.
I don't particularly care about experience as a qualification. I think judgment is more important. McCain's pick of Palin as his VP candidate was interesting since her and Obama have the same amount of experience.

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Ridiculous standards like the ones white presidents have been held to? Oh wait, you're of that generation that believes people should be rewarded just for showing up - you can't possibly know anything about being held to standards. However, since Louis Farrakhan says Obama is the Messiah, maybe Obama should be held to a higher standard.
Yeah, just about. It's like Palin in reverse, people have tremendous expectations of him, expectations that will be nearly impossible, if at all possible, to meet. And of course, in a way, there's as much pressure on him as there is on George Washington.

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So really Obama just needs to go through the paces in your opinion? Some high standards you have set for him. And two of your methods of selection shouldnt even be taken into consideration. The third, well that is great you went to his PR site and studied his policies. I mean, who cares about how he actually voted on issues.....
So, tell us: how did he vote on the issues and why does that reflect a different philosophy from what is reflected in his stated policies?
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Wait a minute; I thought that generalizing people was bad. Was I wrong? I know what he says he'll do. If he does one-fourth of it he's still better than McCain would have been. I don't blindly follow Obama, as you should probably know, I supported him fervently as the first black president (HUGE milestone in this nation's history). I support him based on his charisma and his campaign (one of the best in history) and I support him based on what he SAYS he will do. Again, if he does everything he promised I'll own myself surprised, but even if he does one tenth of it I'll be happy.

I did, went through his website and looked at all his policies. They almost all looked pretty good to me.

I don't trust McCain. He tried to paint himself as a maverick, as "new blood," as a radical departure from the last 8 years--but he shares his fundamental beliefs with George W. Bush. Also, he picked a retarded running mate who invalidated every single thing he said about Obama lacking experience.



Undoubtedly he will, as the first black president, be held to ridiculous standards. Sort of like Sarah Palin, but in reverse.

So, no matter what Obama does you will embrace him.. even if he takes your freedom and your possessions in the name of Allah and Marxism.


Stealing from the successful to reward failure is tyranny. If you embrace Obama's concepts of 'redistribution' , you embrace tyranny.

If he can take from the rich, he can take anything from anyone.
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So, no matter what Obama does you will embrace him.. even if he takes your freedom and your possessions in the name of Allah and Marxism.


Stealing from the successful to reward failure is tyranny. If you embrace Obama's concepts of 'redistribution' , you embrace tyranny.

If he can take from the rich, he can take anything from anyone.
Oh that's a load of bollocks. Get over it. He won. If those things happen then come back and do a spectacular "I told you so".
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how is Obama a fool and why would he want to demonstrate it?
Obama does not need to demonstrate it since he enunciates it every time he opens his mouth.

Change? to what.. Marxism?

When did he ever say anything about individual freedom of choice? Huh?

Becuase he obviously embraces tyranny he is a fool.
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