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Old 11-03-2008, 03:30 PM
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Just like every democrat/republican buys 100% into their party's platform.....

Libertarianism and the Libertarian Party are two different things
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:32 PM
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That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
I'll make this the last post on this side-topic so we can stay on purpose:

I think when you said libertarians "lack a platform" some took it to mean the LP, which is simply wrong. The statement makes no sense unless you're referencing a political party however, because generally-speaking PARTIES or other political entities have platforms, whereas individuals have OPINIONS. I get what you're saying, but libertarians are a testy bunch, so just try to be more careful in the future.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:00 PM
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I'll make this the last post on this side-topic so we can stay on purpose:

I think when you said libertarians "lack a platform" some took it to mean the LP, which is simply wrong. The statement makes no sense unless you're referencing a political party however, because generally-speaking PARTIES or other political entities have platforms, whereas individuals have OPINIONS. I get what you're saying, but libertarians are a testy bunch, so just try to be more careful in the future.
Of course the Libertarian Party has a platform, a party without a platform is a self-contradiction!
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I'll make this the last post on this side-topic so we can stay on purpose:

I think when you said libertarians "lack a platform" some took it to mean the LP, which is simply wrong. The statement makes no sense unless you're referencing a political party however, because generally-speaking PARTIES or other political entities have platforms, whereas individuals have OPINIONS. I get what you're saying, but libertarians are a testy bunch, so just try to be more careful in the future.
And political philosophies (e.g. libertarianism) are often the foundation on which party platforms are built. Of course, what Zehphyr actually said was "There is no libertarian "platform," as any one of them here will be the first to tell you." Members of the Libertarian Party are called "libertarian" and they will most certainly tell you that as a political party they do have a platform.
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And political philosophies (e.g. libertarianism) are often the foundation on which party platforms are built. Of course, what Zehphyr actually said was "There is no libertarian "platform," as any one of them here will be the first to tell you." Members of the Libertarian Party are called "libertarian" and they will most certainly tell you that as a political party they do have a platform.
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I agree with the OP 100%. I've been a staunch libertarian for years (but no longer with a capitol L for Libertarian Party)

Had I been referring to the Libertarian Party I would have used the capital "L."
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While political parties can be based upon a philosophy, they are not one in the same. Even within the ranks of the libertarian movement, there are many factions which regularly contradict each other. Utilizing that thread does not promote your position as it only exposes the ignorance many have with respect to the philosophy of libertarianism vs. the Libertarian party.

'Wealthy' libertarians are few and rare. The only one that I know (other than Dr. Paul if you can consider him 'wealthy) is John Mackey of Whole Foods Market.

The biggest divide is between those who believe that anarchism = libertarianism......and everyone else.
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You're correct in that--but most of the wealthy are economically pretty right-wing.

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Even within the ranks of the libertarian movement, there are many factions which regularly contradict each other
Well, yes, this is why libertarians (people who believe in less government intervention in both the economy and peoples' personal lives as a broad definition) have no single "platform." Parties have platforms. Ideologies do not.
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Had I been referring to the Libertarian Party I would have used the capital "L."
That is how the difference is noted.
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