Who here thinks their vote does not count?

It wouldn't have been counted here in Tennessee since he wasn't on the ballot. Each state has its own rules so a vote for him might be counted elsewhere but not here. He encouraged his supporters to vote for third party candidates instead because of this.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Have you heard about the election fraud here in Texas?

I'm not a Ron Paul fan because, while I feel that the Constitution is admirable, it just isn't realistic for us to follow every little bit of it. The world is much more complex than it was when the Founding Fathers wrote the thing.

Do any state constitutions that you know of allow the states to prohibit abortion?

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

You mean about Bob Barr being the only candidate who qualified by the deadline and the Democrat and Republican candidates were placed on the ballot anyway? Then Bob Barr sued and lost? Oh, yeah, unless there's also other election fraud there that isn't as widely known.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Of course the constitution is interpreted. The founding father specifically left it general so that it could adjust to the times.

Just because you think your interpretations of what it means are the right ones doesn't mean that they are. The same goes for Ron Paul. That's one of the main reasons the Supreme court has become the arbiter of constitutional meaning.

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Walt Whitman
"I say that democracy can never prove itself beyond cavil, until it founds and luxuriantly grows its own forms of art, poems, schools, theology, displacing all that exists, or that has been produced anywhere in the past, under opposite influences."

Yes, the world is far more complex than 1787. But, consider this. Had the Constitution been followed all the way to this moment and not diverted from in the first place we would have been prepared to handle things internationally a whole lot better than we are now. This diversion allows the global agenda that means to destroy our national sovereignty. Do you support the death of the United States of America?

I know of none that specifically prohibit abortion. It is possible that there are some states that have their own laws regarding abortion - their own regulations. But, as far as I am aware no state Constitution specifically mentions abortion.

The tenth amendment says you're wrong. It's important to read documents before commenting on them. Just a friendly reminder from one of the few people on this board who, you know, went to law school. Cheers.

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I am not interpreting anything! Can't you read? Typical response from an Obama supporter. For that matter, typical response from any McCain suporter as well.

It is not a question of opinion. The fact is the Articles of the Constitution are set in stone. If they want a change they need to follow the articles of the Constitution:

Article V: The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of such Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments...

The articles ALSO lay out the governmental duties for each branch. The Supreme Court has not BECOME the arbiter of Constitutional meaning; it was set up that way by the framers (Article III.) What the Supreme Court has BECOME is a bunch of self-righteous bureacrats that presume to legislate from the bench in favor of the few instead of the many.

I have no problem with the Constitution being reinterpreted by amendment. I may not agree with what has changed, but I would be far more accepting of it because those we elected followed the law. What I have a problem with is our government acting without Constitutional authority. Every act taken by Bush and many others before him that expressly went against the Constitution was never brought before the Supreme Court. The last time the United States waged war constitutionally was WWII. After that we continually imposed our will on others as we are doing today. And don't forget how they are imposing their will on us - a nation of laws run by citizens of this nation of laws ignoring the law. Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

I ask you the same thing I asked someone else...are you for the degradation of our national sovereignty?

Well, if you put it that way, I do support the death of the United States. I think that humans are going to have to eventually unify or else go extinct. If we'd followed the Constitution all the way in the first place, the United States as we know it would not exist. At the very least the Confederate States would exist alongside the US, although it's possible that there would have been other secessions as well. If we'd followed the Constitution through and through from the start the country would look quite different on so many levels it's almost impossible to comprehend.

Then none of the state governments have any rights/powers regarding it, either.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.