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This article is by Kathryn Lopez,I post it with no comment.None are needed.

Speaking to a group of young Catholics in New York almost one month before Election day,I had a harsh awakening as jarring as a shot of Wild Turkey 101.Weeks before going to the polling booth,Americans do not know Barack Obama.
In a packed bar,I was discussing the contentious question of whether a Catholic can support Obama for president.I highlighted the priority that defending innocent human lives takes in these considerations,according to the Church.I then went through Obama's radical record on abortion.The jolt came after I finished speaking,when one by one,people told me they had no idea Obama was so radical.They were shocked.And so was I.
We've been understandably focused on the economy lately,so much so that it's as if there are no other issues.But there are.
Though for Catholics,in the end,it's up to the individual,through prayer,to decide upon political matters,my conclusion is that it would be a very tough thing for a follower of the Pope to back the senator-impossible,actually.Obama has stood on the floor of the Illinois statehouse and argued that a baby born alive due to a botched abortion should not have the same rights as a child carried to term.That,in and of itself-his opposition to Illinois' Born Alive Infant's Protection Act,which sought to mandate safeguards for such unwanted children-is a heavy obstacle to overcome for those Obama fans concerned about the future and dignity of human life.
Obama has told the Planned Parenthood Action fund that the first thing he will sign as president will be the Freedom of Choice Act,which will sweep away limits on abortion-state and federal-including restrictions on government funding of abortion and laws protecting anti-abortion health care providers.Obama :1-Has condemned the Supreme Court's Gonzales vs.Carhart ruling,which affirmed the federal partial-birth abortion ban. 2-Supports federal funding of abortion. 3-Opposes the Hyde Amendment,which restricts the use of taxpayer's dollars for supporting abortion.4-Called preganancy "punishmnent." 5-Believes that the right to have an abortion is a matter of equal rights for women.6-Wants to stop federal funding to crisis pregnancy centers 7-Does not support the Preganant Women Support Act,a project of Democrats for life,meant to reduce abortions by strengthening the social safety net.This is important because it exposes as a LIE a major talking point by those who argue that pro-lifers can support Obama.
I don't think I'm unreasonable in thinking that sweeping away all abortion limits and funding abortion with federal tax dollars. will increase rather than decrease abortions.Calculations from the results of a 2004 Heritage Foundation study indicate that the repeal of all state level public funding restrictions,parental involvement laws and informed consent laws would result in 125,000 more abortions every year.
You can fall in love with the romantic idea of a black man becoming president,but in a country where black women have abortions at five times the rate of white women,he is a profile in cowardice.In a land where we have devoted ourselves to the pursuit of life,this is unacceptable.Vote as if lives depend on you.They do.
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Ok,I WILL comment on this after all!Look,people if your an atheist or an agnostic and believe in abortion as an unlimited, retroactive form of birth control at least it is an understandable-if not ghastly-position.But it is a load of crap to say you are a person of faith,a person who believes that human beings(so superior to any other life form on earth) are indeed created apart from other animals in God's image to say that there is any way you can vote for this man.I have NEVER heard an argument in 20 years that reconciles Christianity with unrestricted abortion.There are simply no things Democrats can say,they just change the subject.Their pathetic position would be hilarious if the subject wasn't so horrible.CH
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I'll bite....

Abortion's about #3,922 on my priority list for my President, and it's pretty clear we wildly disagree on this issue.

I'll take the libertarianistic stance on this one: it's not government's place to even address this intensely private issue. The nation's 50-50 on it, so it's lose-lose no matter what policy we make. Obama's a fool if he truly intends to awaken that sleeping giant, when the nation is in flames.

Personally, I do find the "conservative" position a bit puzzling, focusing so much on "forcing" everyone to spew out as many babies as possible, then working hard to eliminate social programs and assistance that just might help, once they're out. I think that's an inconsistent stance. I boil it all down to a "quality vs. quantity" issue, and certainly prefer all babies to be born into happy, loving, fiscally sound homes, with maximum chances for success. No option is off the table, in my opinion.

Here's a fun thing to do: Ask your local sanctimonious pro-lifer to adopt at least eight babies from 14 year old crack-mothers, and put their money where their mouths are. The horrified look you get is just priceless.
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Are you a woman?

If not then like I say to all the hollier then though *** wipes in the world
Mind your own business. What a women does with her body is her business not the business of some person who thinks they get to dictate morals to the rest of us.

I do not think abortion should be a form of birth control but I also dont think a religion full of pedophiles has much of a leg to stand on when it comes to protecting children.
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I just want to point out that one can be a person of faith and not be a Christian. There are many people of faith who believe the decision should be made by the woman and her doctor. It isn't anyone else's business. Although I won't be voting for Obama, this is one issue he and I agree on.
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This article is by Kathryn Lopez,I post it with no comment.None are needed.

Speaking to a group of young Catholics in New York almost one month before Election day,I had a harsh awakening as jarring as a shot of Wild Turkey 101.Weeks before going to the polling booth,Americans do not know Barack Obama.
In a packed bar,I was discussing the contentious question of whether a Catholic can support Obama for president.I highlighted the priority that defending innocent human lives takes in these considerations,according to the Church.I then went through Obama's radical record on abortion.The jolt came after I finished speaking,when one by one,people told me they had no idea Obama was so radical.They were shocked.And so was I.
We've been understandably focused on the economy lately,so much so that it's as if there are no other issues.But there are.
Though for Catholics,in the end,it's up to the individual,through prayer,to decide upon political matters,my conclusion is that it would be a very tough thing for a follower of the Pope to back the senator-impossible,actually.Obama has stood on the floor of the Illinois statehouse and argued that a baby born alive due to a botched abortion should not have the same rights as a child carried to term.That,in and of itself-his opposition to Illinois' Born Alive Infant's Protection Act,which sought to mandate safeguards for such unwanted children-is a heavy obstacle to overcome for those Obama fans concerned about the future and dignity of human life.
Obama has told the Planned Parenthood Action fund that the first thing he will sign as president will be the Freedom of Choice Act,which will sweep away limits on abortion-state and federal-including restrictions on government funding of abortion and laws protecting anti-abortion health care providers.Obama :1-Has condemned the Supreme Court's Gonzales vs.Carhart ruling,which affirmed the federal partial-birth abortion ban. 2-Supports federal funding of abortion. 3-Opposes the Hyde Amendment,which restricts the use of taxpayer's dollars for supporting abortion.4-Called preganancy "punishmnent." 5-Believes that the right to have an abortion is a matter of equal rights for women.6-Wants to stop federal funding to crisis pregnancy centers 7-Does not support the Preganant Women Support Act,a project of Democrats for life,meant to reduce abortions by strengthening the social safety net.This is important because it exposes as a LIE a major talking point by those who argue that pro-lifers can support Obama.
I don't think I'm unreasonable in thinking that sweeping away all abortion limits and funding abortion with federal tax dollars. will increase rather than decrease abortions.Calculations from the results of a 2004 Heritage Foundation study indicate that the repeal of all state level public funding restrictions,parental involvement laws and informed consent laws would result in 125,000 more abortions every year.
You can fall in love with the romantic idea of a black man becoming president,but in a country where black women have abortions at five times the rate of white women,he is a profile in cowardice.In a land where we have devoted ourselves to the pursuit of life,this is unacceptable.Vote as if lives depend on you.They do.
It's not up to you to say who is a person of faith, or a christian, and what they have to support. The bible refers to an individual's relationship with God and Jesus as a private relationship, and that those that try to dictate God's will on others are the worst form of sinners on this earth. That said, I fully support a woman to do with her body as she pleases.
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I'll bite....

Abortion's about #3,922 on my priority list for my President, and it's pretty clear we wildly disagree on this issue.

I'll take the libertarianistic stance on this one: it's not government's place to even address this intensely private issue. The nation's 50-50 on it, so it's lose-lose no matter what policy we make. Obama's a fool if he truly intends to awaken that sleeping giant, when the nation is in flames.

Personally, I do find the "conservative" position a bit puzzling, focusing so much on "forcing" everyone to spew out as many babies as possible, then working hard to eliminate social programs and assistance that just might help, once they're out. I think that's an inconsistent stance. I boil it all down to a "quality vs. quantity" issue, and certainly prefer all babies to be born into happy, loving, fiscally sound homes, with maximum chances for success. No option is off the table, in my opinion.

Here's a fun thing to do: Ask your local sanctimonious pro-lifer to adopt at least eight babies from 14 year old crack-mothers, and put their money where their mouths are. The horrified look you get is just priceless.

Skerlink, Congratulations! You completely avoided the crux of the issue.You make no reference whatsoever to the sanctity of human life.It's none of your business if someone does or does not 'adopt' children.That's a social issue.Go back and read my inital response and try to make a coherent argument.
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Are you a woman?

If not then like I say to all the hollier then though *** wipes in the world
Mind your own business. What a women does with her body is her business not the business of some person who thinks they get to dictate morals to the rest of us.

I do not think abortion should be a form of birth control but I also dont think a religion full of pedophiles has much of a leg to stand on when it comes to protecting children.
This may be the most incoherent rambling I have ever heard on the issue and that is saying a mouthful.What difference is it if I am a woman or not? Are they anything but clueless liberals on this site?
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Lumara, I was called a a--wipe by another poster.I suggest you remove that post or my suspicion that this a liberal-biased web site will be confirmed as you sent me a warning recently for a less offensive statement.
Also,I will ask any of you clueless people a simple question:Are we,as human beings,created in God's image or not? Yes or No.It is simple.I'm daring you.
It is basically a no-win situation for you people.Come on...I'm waiting to demolish your arguments! Let's do it! Then you can become frustrated and ban me from the site because you are unable to match my arguments.So predictable.Also,I have been called 'liberal-hater' or something.I have no idea who that person is but I SUSPECT it was a conservative who enraged you so badly he was banned.I could be wrong.....but I doubt it.
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