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Old 10-17-2008, 10:51 AM
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I'd say that it isn't racist. It is stupid and hateful, but not racist (meaning that it does not attack him based on him being black). It attacks him (and his supporters) as poor (thus the food stamps) and as a democrat (thus the donkey).
again, you miss the gist and the point. one day, you're going to intellectualize yourself to death
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:54 AM
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Yes, it's racist because it stereotypes American blacks as being on Welfare and eating the kinds of foods pictured (which are really more "Southern" than black).
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A reference to his own race is not racist either
It's race baiting, pure and simple.
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Obama photo in GOP club newsletter sparks outrage - Los Angeles Times


A Republican women's club in San Bernardino County sent out a recent newsletter with a photo of Barack Obama surrounded by fried chicken, watermelon and ribs, sparking widespread outrage and rebuke from GOP leaders and Democrats.

Now when pushed she said
the mailer merely parodied the statements Obama made during a debate last summer and wasn't racist.


I ask you defend this. Find some way those foods were chosen completely randomly.

It borderlines racism, but is mostly stereotype, which is not the same thing. People tend to interchange the two, but they are mutually exclusive.
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It borderlines racism, but is mostly stereotype, which is not the same thing. People tend to interchange the two, but they are mutually exclusive.
Well, I'd say stereotyping is an expression of racism but it is not racism itself.
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I do not understand your point. The food is not racist putting all of those foods on a food stamp is.
It was a joke. Not a very good one, but a joke.
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It was a joke. Not a very good one, but a joke.
I thought it may have been by the word choice. But sometimes it is hard to tell sone folks think that way.
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You're young, so that's likely the reason you've not seen all these images used in a racist way. There's a lot of history captured in that "food stamp."

The only one that's news to me, by the way, is the Kool-Aid. What have I missed?

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Why do you assume that becaus kool-aid is on their that kool-aid must be racist? If you fall for that, then there is one more thing, kool-aid, that becomes "taboo" for no other reason than someone else told you it should be. Racism is rooted in believeing that different races are unequal to other races, which starts with people associating different objects to a race, like tacos are symbols of mexicans (even though millions of white people love them too), or that KFC is a symbol for blacks (even though millions of white people eat there too). As long as people associate different meaningless items with a paticular race, it allows racism to exist. When someone shows you a picture of a watermelon and "black people" pop into your head, then we as a people haven't progressed as far as we should. When someone shows you a picture of a watermelon, you shouldn't see any race of people, you should see something meaningful, like maybe a memory of when you went to a summer festival and their was a watermelon eatting contest, or of a song, or something. Racism will never go away if we are so over sensitive that we associate everyday items, which everyone uses/consumes, with a paticular race. That is why I say it is not racist, because people should be mature enough not to associate those things with blacks, or anything with any race.
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kool aid is also in the group I guess you need to know more black people to understand.
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Oregon,

You're young, so that's likely the reason you've not seen all these images used in a racist way. There's a lot of history captured in that "food stamp."

The only one that's news to me, by the way, is the Kool-Aid. What have I missed?

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Cindy, I think maybe the Kool-Aid is NOT racist reference, but rather reference to "Kool-Aid drinkers" meaning "blind followers". Reference to Jim Jones followers who blindly followed him and ended up committing mass suicide drinking poisoned Kool-Aid at the Jim Jones cult village. Its been used at all points of the political spectrum to imply that the supporters of one or another candidate are "blind followers" drinking Kool-Aid.

However, OE, I think Cindy is right that you and some others may be a bit too young to have seen the stereotyping of black people as having a preference for watermelon, fried chicken and ribs, and those being "black foods".

Watermelon in particular was a very "racicized" food (I may have made that word up, but it fits. Watermelon was MADE into a racist reference, a long time ago, and stayed that way for a long time. They are not so much anymore, but frankly, at one time and for a LONG time, they WERE considered to be "black foods" and black people supposedly had a special affinity for watermelon. and that if you had a problem with black people, all you had to do was wave some watermelon in front of them and they'd go chasing after it. It was used in racial stereotyping for many years. The watermelon in particular was "racial" reference , I'd say well into the seventies. Note this old "Betty Boop cartoon. There are, of course, some other derogatory pieces in this "cartoon".

YouTube - Banned Cartoon-Betty Boop

Here's some more on the Watermelon stereotype

Question of the Month - Jim Crow Museum at Ferris State University

The people who made up this "Obama bucks" fiasco must be OLD farts living in the past. And they forgot chittlins. Except the ways I have seen chittlins fixed would probably appear to be lasagna, fettucini or pierogies in an artists rendition. Which would be very confusing to anyone who "got" the food references to begin with.

Its a stupid, racist and tacky production. But I also agree that it is SO stupid, racist and tacky and SO from the fifies and sixties and before (OLD) that it might help Obama more than hurt.
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