Upon first reading the title, it seems like a bad idea to ignore the election. After all, our country has gone downhill with the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and the 700-billion dollar bailout which seems to expand with every passing day. Yet the electoral college disenfranchises the voters in a presidential election, rendering our votes meaningless. So I can understand how casting a vote under these conditions only serves to legitimize the crooks that control elections in the United States.

I like what the writer has to say in this article because he tells it like it is:

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Well I don't agree with 'not voting'
That doesn't help either.

I do agree that there is no discernable difference between the two tax-subsidized party candidates. You are simply making a decision on the length of rope.

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat

But Lumara, you of all people (being a libertarian) should know that the founding fathers expected the states to elect the President, hence the Electoral College. They never intended this idiotic notion of the "popular vote."

It's only casting a vote for Democrats and Republicans that legitimizes the crooks that control the elections. Voting for other parties makes those parties viable.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Giving electors sole voting power in presidential elections concentrates the power in too few hands. I disagree with the concept, but don't understand why we even bother going through the sham of the popular vote in presidential elections when it doesn't mean a thing.

I'll be voting, and it won't be for Obama or McCain, yet the above shows how pointless it is since one of them will be elected - unless GW plays the martial law card to cancel the election and remain Dictator in Chief. I'm still expecting a power play like that from him, although if that doesn't happen McCain or Obama will be no better than what we've had for the past 8 years.

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Actually, it's not true that popular vote doesn't mean a thing. True that the election is not based on a national popular vote, however the delegates for each state are determined by a state popular vote (though I disagree with the winner take all effect).

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Set your destination with your heart, get there with your mind.

"The wisest men follow their own direction." - Euripides

we don't go through a "sham" everybody votes and if someone wants to add it all up that is their choice. But national popular vote has nothing to do with the Actual Election.

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From now on whenever you say you believe in freedom, liberty, or anything like that I'm just going to snicker and not take you seriously for the remainder of that thread.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Who, me? Or Chan?

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."

Who's the quote from? It is Chan.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Whew!

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"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Walter Mondale: "George Bush doesn't have the manhood to apologize." George Bush: "Well, on the manhood thing, I'll put mine up against his any time."