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Old 10-07-2008, 09:13 PM
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Oh so we should be mad about the money that is lost, and not the loss of human life. I see, it all makes sense now.
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Exactly, now you're getting the idea.
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McCain has admitted that the he could have done far more to evade the missile that shot him down. He knew that he was locked on by a missile a good 2 minutes before he was hit and in all that time he did not use one evasion tactic.

I am not saying he is responsible but his lack of good judgment and his slow reflexes played a large part in his losing 5 planes in less then 30 minutes of total combat time.

He was 5th lowest in his class and the only real reason he got to be a pilot is becuase his father and grand father were both very powerful admirals.

I get sick of this he's a hero crap. I know tons of military people that have done far more for this nation without any nepotistic advantages.

I feel for his time as a POW but I don't see how getting caught and being a prisoner gives him good leadership experience. I want a president that leads a nation of winners not a nation of prisoners.
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The plane that he crashed in virginia (which your article gives no details, because the details show it wasn't his fault) was because he had flameout.....
Well let's take a look at the article.
In his autobiography, McCain said the crash had occurred because "the engine quit," but an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure, the report said.

Instead investigators concluded that the 23-year-old junior lieutenant was not paying attention and erred in using "a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn."

The crash was one of three early in McCain's aviation career in which his flying skills and judgment were faulted or questioned by Navy officials, The Times said.
End of story, go try and lie to someone else...
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Exactly, now you're getting the idea.
Oh okay just wanted to make sure that money was more important that someones life. And the lives of that persons family.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:08 PM
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Blaming pilots for being shot down or crashing is extremely disrespectful to their service. You should be ashamed.
Interesting, so you're saying that once shot at, regardless of counter measures, pilot skill and all other capabilities of the jet, they are dead meat.

I guess McCain proves that theory....
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:11 PM
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Interesting, so you're saying that once shot at, regardless of counter measures, pilot skill and all other capabilities of the jet, they are dead meat.

I guess McCain proves that theory....
Have you ever piloted a jet aircraft in a combat situation? No? Then don't mock those who have.
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McCain has admitted that the he could have done far more to evade the missile that shot him down. He knew that he was locked on by a missile a good 2 minutes before he was hit and in all that time he did not use one evasion tactic.
Do you have a link? It fits what everyone is saying about McCain as a pilot.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:26 PM
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Have you ever piloted a jet aircraft in a combat situation?
Since McCain only managed 20 minutes before he got shot down, after all the training he got, I could do that...
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Since McCain only managed 20 minutes before he got shot down, after all the training he got, I could do that...
Sounds like someone is going to enlist! Go Affrayer!
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Sounds like someone is going to enlist!
Being able to do better than McCain, a Vietnamese Ace, means very little unless I'm one of those Privileged Children. McCain should have been flunked out of flight school...
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