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Old 10-07-2008, 11:39 PM
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I have paid taxes toward those benefits for nearly 30 years - but you think it's okay to cut benefits anyway? How will that effect the economy - seniors and boomers are a huge portion of the country. Do you really want to put them out on the street? Can hospitals afford to take care of them without going under? How about the ripple effect when seniors start going under?
I think people who are dependent on those programs now and those like yourself who have paid into them for a lifetime should get what they were promised. These programs should be eliminated and/or scaled back massively however for the younger generations and the future ones.

This is a lesson that should be learned by everyone about not becoming too dependent on the government.

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Iraq is costing more than all the entitlements combined - while the Iraqi govt sits on 79 billion in surpluses. Personally, I think we can save 10 billion a month by declaring victory and leaving instead of deciding we need to buy them a whole new country.
No argument here. I want all of it gone.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:17 AM
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I have paid taxes toward those benefits for nearly 30 years - but you think it's okay to cut benefits anyway? How will that effect the economy - seniors and boomers are a huge portion of the country. Do you really want to put them out on the street? Can hospitals afford to take care of them without going under? How about the ripple effect when seniors start going under? It will be atleast as big as the current crisis.
First off you didn't pay for your benefits. You paid for Generations before you. Just as I am going to pay for the Generations before me. You aren't entitled the equal amount as those before you because there aren't enough younger Generations to pick up your Generations tab.

The way the system is set up is flawed. A reduction of Benefits needs to happen like it or not. But at least McCain is honest about that.

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Iraq is costing more than all the entitlements combined - while the Iraqi govt sits on 79 billion in surpluses. Personally, I think we can save 10 billion a month by declaring victory and leaving instead of deciding we need to buy them a whole new country.
Senior benefits are paid for by Social Security Tax and Medicare Tax. Those Taxes go directly to those funds. Iraq has nothing to do with you having to suck it up and realize.. the younger generations lack the population to pay for the older generations.

We've spent the last 30 years ignoring this issue. Passing half assed laws to restructure Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and in the end passing it on to the next generation to address.

You will have to take cuts, I will have to take cuts.

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Finally, politicians have virtually no short-term incentives to tackle the Medicare problem. The reason is clear: any change that leaves the elderly worse off than before will lead to swift condemnation and ballot box reprisals by a large and vocal segment of the population. Meanwhile, pressure from much younger workers who fund Medicare is nearly non-existent.

However, more encouraging signs may come from individual states' experiments with healthcare, particularly those of Massachusetts and California. If a state can build a comprehensive medical care solution, it can provide guidance and even encouragement for a national approach.

Given the magnitude of the problem, there is unlikely to be a silver bullet. To bring costs and benefits closer together, policies need to target the inequities caused by incentives that tend to increase costs at an alarming rate.

Even this may be insufficient. Increases in taxes, cuts in benefits, and possibly means-testing of beneficiaries may be needed. Implicit in such policy change is the realization that all stakeholders -- not just the young -- need to bear the burden of making Medicare sustainable. It may be tough medicine to swallow, but we can't keep blindly passing Medicare's costs on to future generations.
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Exactly. It is unconscionable to be spending so much on Iraq and on maintaining hundreds of military bases overseas, and throwing billions at Wall Street while telling seniors the government has to cut back on a program they have contributed to for years, a program which has been raided by a spendthrift Congress again and again. The pork in the 476-page bailout bill was ridiculous and one better use of those billions would be to shore up the depleted Social Security fund.
Seniors aren't paying for it... Younger Generations are. 30 years ago (todays Seniors) should have stopped this madness. But they didn't, now they want to throw a hissyfit over it?

Sorry, I am tired of being burdened with everyone else lack of understanding a failed system.
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So Obama and his crowd want a "balanced budget", but also want endless entitlement spending, which RIGHT NOW is 60% of the national budget. Gotcha.

McCain is right, but he isn't going far enough. Medicare and Medicaid need to be progressively weakened and ultimately eliminated. It is not the government's job to keep you healthy.
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So Obama and his crowd want a "balanced budget", but also want endless entitlement spending, which RIGHT NOW is 60% of the national budget. Gotcha.

McCain is right, but he isn't going far enough. Medicare and Medicaid need to be progressively weakened and ultimately eliminated. It is not the government's job to keep you healthy.
who is going to pay for the endless entitlement spending.. especially now that they are going to LIMIT salaries and only tax the rich..

Heck.. Where is the incentive to work to pay for the Obama nonsense? We already pay 50% to the govenrment and obviously Obama wants even more!!

much better to drink vodka and let the other person work hard ...
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:41 AM
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Cutting spending is a good thing. McCain suggested last night there would be a freeze on federal spending across the board.

But how does Obama propose to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans (as he claims) while increasing spending dramatically?

Both of these guys are bad for the country but some of you people are still stupid enough to vote for them.
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Cutting spending is a good thing. McCain suggested last night there would be a freeze on federal spending across the board.

But how does Obama propose to cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans (as he claims) while increasing spending dramatically?

Both of these guys are bad for the country but some of you people are still stupid enough to vote for them.
You are correct.. but a vote for anyone other than the two is a vote for Obama.. If that is OK with you .. fine.
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:52 AM
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You are correct.. but a vote for anyone other than the two is a vote for Obama.. If that is OK with you .. fine.
No, damn it! A vote for anyone other than McCain or Obama is a vote for anyone other than McCain or Obama.
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No, damn it! A vote for anyone other than McCain or Obama is a vote for anyone other than McCain or Obama.
Yes, on paper.. but like voting for Perot.. it will give the election to the obviously MOST incompetent presidential candidate ever.
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I have paid taxes toward those benefits for nearly 30 years - but you think it's okay to cut benefits anyway? How will that effect the economy - seniors and boomers are a huge portion of the country. Do you really want to put them out on the street? Can hospitals afford to take care of them without going under? How about the ripple effect when seniors start going under? It will be atleast as big as the current crisis.
Thank you for showing your stupidity! There is no account with your name on it that you paid into. You've been paying for the benefits of people currently receiving them. If people haven't saved for their own damned retirement, that's their problem. Social Security was NEVER meant to be anyone's sole source of income, it was only meant to keep seniors out of poverty. Even there it's unconstitutional because the federal government does not have the authority under Article I to tax people in order to give the money to other people.

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Iraq is costing more than all the entitlements combined - while the Iraqi govt sits on 79 billion in surpluses. Personally, I think we can save 10 billion a month by declaring victory and leaving instead of deciding we need to buy them a whole new country.
Yes, and we could save a lot of money by getting rid of all the various unconstitutional government programs and agencies. We can save billions of dollars by closing all our foreign bases, bringing our troops home, and stop interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.
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