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Delta Force officer: US officials stopped plans to kill bin Laden
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Monday October 6, 2008


After September 11, 2001, a team of elite Delta Force commandos was sent into Afghanistan with an assignment to find and kill Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora -- but that mission failed.

The commander of the Delta Force team has now written a book which tells what he says is the true story of what went wrong. He appeared anonymously on CBS's 60 Minutes on Sunday to summarize that story.

Bin Laden was known to be holed up at Tora Bora on a ridge with an elevation of 14,000 feet. The Delta Force team's initial plan was to come at him from the direction he'd least expect, climbing over the mountains at his back, but that plan wasn't approved by the higher-ups. Their second idea, to drop hundreds of landmines along the mountain passes to Pakistan to impede bin Laden's retreat and then bring in helicopters, was also turned down.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" CBS's Scott Pelley asked the commando leader.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," he replied.

The only remaining option was a frontal assault by 50 US Delta Force members plus their Afghan guides -- and the Afghan warlord accompanying the commandos frankly told them, "I don't think you guys can handle it." A few million dollars from the CIA quickly secured his cooperation, but only to a degree.

The Delta Force leader told CBS that the Afghan fighters went home every night, abandoning whatever territory had been gained that day. "It was almost like it was an agreement, an understanding between the two forces fighting each other," he stated When the CIA did come up with an exact location on bin Laden, it was nighttime, and the Afghan support was nowhere to be found.

"It wasn't worth the risk at that particular moment to go up there and play cowboy," the leader told CBS. "It was better to be cautious, refit, go up there with the entire force the next day and play the battle out as we had planned." But when he attempted to move on bin Laden the next day, his Afghan allies balked, saying they had negotiated a cease fire with al Qaeda, and even drew their weapons on the Delta force team to prevent it from acting alone.

Shortly thereafter, intercepted radio communications showed that bin Laden was on the move. A cave which al Qaeda members had been seen entering was bombed for several hours, and it was thought that bin Laden had died there. But when US forces checked the cave six months later, bin Laden's body was not found. The Delta Force leader believes he received medical treatment in a local village and then got away safely into Pakistan.

CBS News had more details here.

This video is from CBS' 60 Minutes, broadcast October 5, 2008.
The Raw Story | Delta Force officer: US officials stopped plans to kill bin Laden
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Clinton had a few of those as well.

But it seems like an OP that had a high failure rate.
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It seemed from this that it was the afgans that prevented the mission of succeeding.
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It seemed from this that it was the afgans that prevented the mission of succeeding.
Agreed - after the two best options were taken off the board by DC, the Afghans refused to participate in a suicidal lunge. My question is why did those options get taken off the board?
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Agreed - after the two best options were taken off the board by DC, the Afghans refused to participate in a suicidal lunge. My question is why did those options get taken off the board?
Probably because they didn't feel that they were safe enough, treking over mountians and climbing up a ridge to attack from behind is a do or die mission, with no way to get back out once you are in. The helicopter one, I don't know why. But I doubt that the frontal attack was considered "suicidal" and it seemed more like the afgans were just going lazily half assed, rather being scared that it was a suicide mission.
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Probably because they didn't feel that they were safe enough, treking over mountians and climbing up a ridge to attack from behind is a do or die mission, with no way to get back out once you are in. The helicopter one, I don't know why. But I doubt that the frontal attack was considered "suicidal" and it seemed more like the afgans were just going lazily half assed, rather being scared that it was a suicide mission.
You have to remember these guys are Delta. That is their WHOLE job is to execute Do or Die missions. Read the story of Roughneck 91.

I think it bears repeating that we have had chances prior to this to take bin Laden out but did not follow through.
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hint: find out where Binladen recieves dialysis.
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Agreed - after the two best options were taken off the board by DC, the Afghans refused to participate in a suicidal lunge. My question is why did those options get taken off the board?
Because if we killed Bin Laden there would be no reason to continue funding the War on Terror at such high levels as now and it is all about transferring money from the nation's Treasury to the military-industrial complex. It is about politics, not justice.
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Delta Force officer: US officials stopped plans to kill bin Laden
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Monday October 6, 2008


After September 11, 2001, a team of elite Delta Force commandos was sent into Afghanistan with an assignment to find and kill Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora -- but that mission failed.

The commander of the Delta Force team has now written a book which tells what he says is the true story of what went wrong. He appeared anonymously on CBS's 60 Minutes on Sunday to summarize that story.

Bin Laden was known to be holed up at Tora Bora on a ridge with an elevation of 14,000 feet. The Delta Force team's initial plan was to come at him from the direction he'd least expect, climbing over the mountains at his back, but that plan wasn't approved by the higher-ups. Their second idea, to drop hundreds of landmines along the mountain passes to Pakistan to impede bin Laden's retreat and then bring in helicopters, was also turned down.

"How often does Delta come up with a tactical plan that's disapproved by higher headquarters?" CBS's Scott Pelley asked the commando leader.

"In my experience, in my five years at Delta, never before," he replied.

The only remaining option was a frontal assault by 50 US Delta Force members plus their Afghan guides -- and the Afghan warlord accompanying the commandos frankly told them, "I don't think you guys can handle it." A few million dollars from the CIA quickly secured his cooperation, but only to a degree.

The Delta Force leader told CBS that the Afghan fighters went home every night, abandoning whatever territory had been gained that day. "It was almost like it was an agreement, an understanding between the two forces fighting each other," he stated When the CIA did come up with an exact location on bin Laden, it was nighttime, and the Afghan support was nowhere to be found.

"It wasn't worth the risk at that particular moment to go up there and play cowboy," the leader told CBS. "It was better to be cautious, refit, go up there with the entire force the next day and play the battle out as we had planned." But when he attempted to move on bin Laden the next day, his Afghan allies balked, saying they had negotiated a cease fire with al Qaeda, and even drew their weapons on the Delta force team to prevent it from acting alone.

Shortly thereafter, intercepted radio communications showed that bin Laden was on the move. A cave which al Qaeda members had been seen entering was bombed for several hours, and it was thought that bin Laden had died there. But when US forces checked the cave six months later, bin Laden's body was not found. The Delta Force leader believes he received medical treatment in a local village and then got away safely into Pakistan.

CBS News had more details here.

This video is from CBS' 60 Minutes, broadcast October 5, 2008.
The Raw Story | Delta Force officer: US officials stopped plans to kill bin Laden

So, what was his evidence that it WAS bin Laden? Seemed rather slim.
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Because if we killed Bin Laden there would be no reason to continue funding the War on Terror at such high levels as now and it is all about transferring money from the nation's Treasury to the military-industrial complex. It is about politics, not justice.
Really? So, you say that killing Bin Laden would end terrorism?
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